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worldwidedreamer
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Lorenzo went to grad school with a close friend...who always has had good things to say about his former classmate. I find it fascinating at how subsequent events color how we interpret the past.

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Posted : December 5, 2011 1:52 am
violist
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wwd - face the fact that pretty much everyone up and down the line
hated him from the getgo.

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Posted : December 5, 2011 2:05 pm
EX-LAX
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worldwidedreamer, post: 982585 wrote: Lorenzo went to grad school with a close friend...who always has had good things to say about his former classmate. I find it fascinating at how subsequent events color how we interpret the past.

A lot of people went to school with Bernard Madoff, Adolph Hitler, and Attila The Hun, and thought they were real swell guys back then also. What's your point?

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Posted : December 5, 2011 2:21 pm
tommy777
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EX-LAX, post: 986113 wrote: A lot of people went to school with Bernard Madoff, Adolph Hitler, and Attila The Hun, and thought they were real swell guys back then also. What's your point?

What college did Attila go to again? 😉

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Posted : December 5, 2011 4:59 pm
EX-LAX
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tommy777, post: 986960 wrote: What college did Attila go to again? 😉

Attila Buhály | College of Nyíregyháza - Academia.edu

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Posted : December 5, 2011 9:35 pm
NONAGUY
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HeathrowGuy, post: 956361, member: 216 wrote: Although we are all sad to see Continental make its final flight today, its departure coincides the arrival of a dream realized, first articulated by that of visionary former Continental CEO Francisco Lorenzo.

The visionary Lorenzo dreamed that one day our skies would be graced by a world's leading airline with a top-rate domestic and global network, carrying passengers in a modern, comfortable fleet, with the finest employees in the airline business, and possessing a sustainable cost structure now and into the future. Although he was unable to fully realize his dream during his tenure as the head of Continental, he nonetheless put the building blocks in place that live on today in the heart and soul of the new United.

HeathrowGuy, post: 956655, member: 216 wrote: His execution of his vision was horrible, but the dream itself was righteous and a good thing, and has now become reality. And more to the point, had he not taken the aggressive actions with Continental that he did, the airline would have never made it to 1990 much less 2010 to merge with United (remember, CO's subsequent CEOs basically leveraged the building blocks put in place during the Lorenzo era -- especially the competitive labor cost structure, the EWR and IAH hubs, SHARES, and OnePass -- to transform CO into a leading airline).

For whatever reason, I was just doing research on Eastern Airlines and Frank Lorenzo and came across this comment. I simply have no understanding of how you, (Heathrow Guy), could possibly make any sort of positive remark about one of the most evil, godless humans of our time. I mean that sincerely. I would love to see you actually go and defend these comments in person to any one of the thousands of people who's lives were so negatively impacted by Lorenzo's tactics all in the name of a buck. It's easy to sit behind a gutless keyboard and tell all of us who were severely impacted by this "blinded by money-pathetic excuse of a man" that somehow he was some sort of visionary. Get real ..... its pathetic that you would even take the time to put this in as a thread, other then to just get a reaction! Pot Stirred ... well done.

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Posted : June 8, 2014 9:18 pm
NONAGUY
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HeathrowGuy, post: 957433, member: 216 wrote: Actually, I do know what I'm talking about here:

1. For all his flaws, Lorenzo is credited with saving Continental. Even Alfred Kahn, the father of US airline deregulation and no fan of Lorenzo's, conceded that Lorenzo's actions at Continental saved the airline and allowed it to experience the substantial growth it enjoyed once its cost structure was brought down from the highest in the industry to among the lowest of its peers.

2. Every "building block" for Continental's future success I mentioned previously was put into place during the Lorenzo era, and is playing an essential role in the greatness of the New United.

I recognize Lorenzo's tenure at Continental was extremely controversial and emotions run deep from that time. But its also true that much of what's taken place in Continental's life since then -- including the building of New United -- is the fulfillment of his vision, albeit under superior management teams who did care much more about the employees.

Can you educate us on how great of a Christian man you and Frank Lorenzo are while you are shining up his knob. How much does he pay you to perform such a service? And what are you talking about ?........... "the greatness of the New United" ?????????? seriously??? I work there ..... its a mess right now and we have a long way to go! I hope it gets better ..... but dude..... you need to quit typing with that knob in your mouth!! You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Please see first quarter financial results for 2014!

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Posted : June 8, 2014 9:33 pm
NONAGUY
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NONAGUY, post: 2377692, member: 168623 wrote: Can you educate us on how great of a Christian man you and Frank Lorenzo are while you are shining up his knob. How much does he pay you to perform such a service? And what are you talking about ?........... "the greatness of the New United" ?????????? seriously??? I work there ..... its a mess right now and we have a long way to go! I hope it gets better ..... but dude..... you need to quit typing with that knob in your mouth!! You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Please see first quarter financial results for 2014!

P.S. Can you spell Gordon Bethune?? You might have less of an argument if you can ......

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Posted : June 8, 2014 9:50 pm
eponymous_coward
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I think you may just possibly be missing the point of MP. It's possible to disagree with someone without being disagreeable.

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Posted : June 9, 2014 12:30 am
HeathrowGuy
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eponymous_coward, post: 2377751, member: 1812 wrote: I think you may just possibly be missing the point of MP. It's possible to disagree with someone without being disagreeable.

AMEN!

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Posted : June 9, 2014 5:52 am
Misplaced Texan
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eponymous_coward wrote: I think you may just possibly be missing the point of MP. It's possible to disagree with someone without being disagreeable.

I also love that he/she dug up a three year old thread just to rant about Frank Lorenzo.

Nursing a grudge that big nearly 30 years after the fact is dedication that borders on a mental disorder.

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Posted : June 9, 2014 8:38 pm
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