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misman
(@misman)

colpuck, post: 2802850, member: 3248 wrote: an unhappy elite is not the reason the site has so little traffic. While his posts are annoying (I've blocked him/her and I am content to let him/her rant into the darkness) there are other issues the site needs to deal with.

Pizzaman, post: 2802852, member: 24 wrote: I agree that one poster is not the reason we don't have not traffic. No question.

Maybe not, but you can see in your own recent experience that your "good" threads were quickly buried.

At one time, I was making an effort to create threads that I thought would be of interest to the population. Were they not read because they were not of interest, or because they were quickly buried? I don't know, but I stopped trying.

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Sing it right, and you'll never be bored

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Posted : October 19, 2017 1:36 pm
Steve GadFly
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misman, post: 2802853, member: 3319 wrote: Maybe not, but you can see in your own recent experience that your "good" threads were quickly buried.

At one time, I was making an effort to create threads that I thought would be of interest to the population. Were they not read because they were not of interest, or because they were quickly buried? I don't know, but I stopped trying.

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Posted : October 19, 2017 2:37 pm
Randy Petersen
(@randy-petersen)
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Greetings: A (once very) happy elite

I hope you don't mind but i added a few returns to your original post. Trying to read it as a run on of sentences was quite a labor and as a favor i thought i'd try to break it into chunks so that others can read as well.

One thing i did notice in reading it is a bit of a concern that it is likely in the wrong forum—let me explain. Throughout life, most people will come into contact with a term: the 80/20 Rule. The formal name of this is the Pareto Principle. Its original foundations were in economics but it is not meant to be understood only by economics professors and is often touted when explaining the economics of best customers, lifestyles and who knows what else. It really doesn’t matter what you apply it too, it's often a good way to give perspective to things. For instance, its often true that certain things you do in your life (20 percent) account for the majority (the 80 percent) of your happiness.

Now to-the-point. For as long as I can remember, I've often used an 80/20 Rule in trying to determine the appropriate application on content/posts in online communities such as this one and FlyerTalk. As I was reading through this recent post of yours, it occurred to me that it was out-of-place for conversation not because of the topic of your post, but it was not in line with the 80/20 Rule. You have posted it here in the United Mileage Plus forum, but after one or two reads of the post, less than 20 percent of it was actually related to United Airlines. In fact you even surmise that "I would be remiss to not mention that United has not been the worst actor during this dark period." In other words, you seem to be referring to these dark periods of which United might be participating in but clearly is not the focus of the content—it appears to be the airline industry. And that, is the 80 percent part of the rule. Suggestion: when creating any content within any online forum, this or any other, read through your post and if only 20 percent of the words used are directly related to a specific topic, then it likely does not belong in that forum. Look for the 80 percent of the content to be the guide or indicator for others to engage in the conversation.

Why?

In this case, you state United has not been the worst actor. By placing this topic in a neutral or more appropriate forum, you would then be able to invite the fan boys of Delta, Spirit, Frontier, American and even the memories of TWA and OK, Eastern Airlines into what you refer to as "path-destroying". I have my own thoughts on this but it's hard for me to contain those only in a United Mileage Plus forum in fairness to our other members who are likely here for ... United Mileage Plus information or dialogue.

There's a common sense to content on the web, too often missed by developments such as hash tags and other visual clues can help.

If I read you correctly, you are simply yearning for a conversation—a dialogue with someone—anyone.

I'm going to try and help you. I have renamed this post from 'spam', as the 80/20 Rule isn't so much about spam as it is content location. As well, tomorrow I will love your post and suitable content that's connected to the General Travel forum where we'll invite any and all others with thoughts on the "path-destroying" airline industry can contribute. Remember, United is a participant not the only "actor".

And, I'll even participate in your discussion. But please ... learn from me the 80/20 Rule for forum content.

cheers, randy

ahappyelite, post: 2802807, member: 145399 wrote: You have unrestricted space to post about the good things United is doing to improve air travel, and you started to do that-good luck!

The fact is the airline industry has been barreling down a breathtaking path-destroying its own offering at a breakneck pace: indeed, air travel is now almost incidental to what they do-sell miles, sell spots on lines they created, charge ransom to get out of seating designed to be tortuous, dangerous even, sell travel insurance, sell credit cards etc, sell space in packed clubs with sparse offerings. Webflyer is to be commended for allowing unshackled commentary about these practices and I believe the media and travel community is noticing: after years of silence, just now starting to see reporting about the horror show that mergers have created. With scores and scores of deteriorations, one could replicate the AP Newswire in posting deteriorations-some days seem to bring even more bad news than others. Those who wish to celebrate the good things mergers have brought no doubt are pressed to cite any evidence at all-though I know some very top tier folks may be less unhappy.

As I have said, any contrary views or factual corrections are welcome. Air travel has been one of mans great achievements. To see such a one of a kind experience debased. degraded and smothered because greedsters and the malevolent seek super returns at the expense of ordinary people is a travesty. Everyone remembers mileage runs, open jaws, strategizing about upgrades, pleasant surprises as airlines competed. Most of this has been killed dead as they say, and unnecessarily. I would be remiss to not mention that United has not been the worst actor during this dark period.

Have a great day and for what it's worth ... behind this post is a guy that loves what he does for frequent flyers, so contact me anytime.

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Posted : October 19, 2017 2:59 pm
ahappyelite
(@ahappyelite)
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Appreciate your comments.
However, it is undeniable that at the root of this is the obvious undisguised desire of the objectors to censor comments that they do not like about a company some here have a close relationship with. ('It's not about censorship' the first defense of the censor) They have unrestricted space to celebrate the good things United has done post merger. That they have, for years, had very little to offer is United's doing, not mine. Placing content more carefully is something worthy of consideration. It is regrettable if the bullying of a few wins the day. Let's face it: we really don't have to thread a needle too finely-Wall Street is in the catbird seat calling the shots and airlines are just names now as they replicate one another's lowest offerings and worst designs. So, sadly airlines today, are 100% the monsters of Wall Street. I will continue to speak out here-or elsewhere. The ad hominem attacks are unnecessary-I could certainly deliver a critique of the "box" but what's the point there should be space here for all contributors with no one shouting anyone down.

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Posted : October 19, 2017 3:49 pm
misman
(@misman)

I'm all for free speech, but...

If I go to a park everyday and there is some guy "preaching" on the corner (weather faith, politics, alien abduction, etc.,) and I don't agree with him, I can usually go to another corner of the park.

However, if I go to a park every day and there is a group of guys dominating the park doing the same, I'll not go to the park.

It takes four parts to ring a chord
Sing it right, and you'll never be bored

The Duke City Sound finished 25th out of 770+ in the International Barbershop Convention in Pittsburgh!

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Posted : October 19, 2017 4:11 pm
ahappyelite
(@ahappyelite)
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Actually, I have been stunned at the breadth and depth of the assault on air travel that has gone on now for years and years-most of it deliberately overlooked by media outlets. IF provides a useful platform to catalogue these deteriorations and to resist the normalization of the indefensible. Passengers should resist this business as usual descent into hell that the airlines have spearheaded. You are free to defend the airlines and to tell us the things they are doing-certainly flight insurance is one dubious, dubious citation sold exclusively to the unknowing-but the cartel knows as it has been aided and abetted by media that silence = acceptance of this trashpile they are building every day.

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Posted : October 19, 2017 4:22 pm
Dublin_rfk
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This is a little more complicated than Solomon's. He at least had a binary solution.

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Posted : October 19, 2017 5:36 pm
Dublin_rfk
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misman, post: 2802867, member: 3319 wrote: I'm all for free speech, but...

If I go to a park everyday and there is some guy "preaching" on the corner (weather faith, politics, alien abduction, etc.,) and I don't agree with him, I can usually go to another corner of the park.

However, if I go to a park every day and there is a group of guys dominating the park doing the same, I'll not go to the park.

Agreed! unfortunately the next 'park' is the borg like TOBB.

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Posted : October 19, 2017 5:41 pm
misman
(@misman)

Dublin_rfk, post: 2802878, member: 18572 wrote: Agreed! unfortunately the next 'park' is the borg like TOBB.

Well then, maybe I just stay home and post on the internet. 😀

It takes four parts to ring a chord
Sing it right, and you'll never be bored

The Duke City Sound finished 25th out of 770+ in the International Barbershop Convention in Pittsburgh!

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Posted : October 19, 2017 7:14 pm
Dublin_rfk
(@dublin_rfk)

ahappyelite, post: 2802864, member: 145399 wrote: Appreciate your comments.
However, it is undeniable that at the root of this is the obvious undisguised desire of the objectors to censor comments that they do not like about a company some here have a close relationship with. ('It's not about censorship' the first defense of the censor) They have unrestricted space to celebrate the good things United has done post merger. That they have, for years, had very little to offer is United's doing, not mine. Placing content more carefully is something worthy of consideration. It is regrettable if the bullying of a few wins the day. Let's face it: we really don't have to thread a needle too finely-Wall Street is in the catbird seat calling the shots and airlines are just names now as they replicate one another's lowest offerings and worst designs. So, sadly airlines today, are 100% the monsters of Wall Street. I will continue to speak out here-or elsewhere. The ad hominem attacks are unnecessary-I could certainly deliver a critique of the "box" but what's the point there should be space here for all contributors with no one shouting anyone down.

As I understand Randy to be saying. Using a more generic forum when commenting (blasting) generically might actually improve the understanding of your posts.

http://my.flightmemory.com/DublinRFK

"Good judgement comes from experience and experience? It comes from BAD Judgement."
Unique points in 2018: EWR, LAX, SIN, SFO, IAD, IND, ORD, SAT, PHL, RDU, FLL, GRB, CLT, MSN, GRR, SNA, MCI, CLE, SAN, IAH, FRA, CVG, NRT, LAS, ABQ,[SIZE=4"> PDX[/SIZE">

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Posted : October 19, 2017 7:29 pm
PaulOnion
(@paulonion)
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What's to understand?

He thinks the big Airlines4America group sucks. Pretty simple.

Having achieved the highest status level and having personally experienced the snide, uncaring attitude of the employees of these organizations, I tend to concur.

However, being an American citizen, I do acknowledge that I'll probably have to deal with at least one of them in the future.

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Posted : October 20, 2017 8:57 am
PaulOnion
(@paulonion)
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And you pride yourself as a Frequent Flyer community, who is attemptiing to discuss strategies to maximize your return using any one of an array of Rewards programs,

I can honestly, 100%, recommend to anyone with zero exposure to how any of this works in practice, that they are all a complete waste of time.

Sat for several years with enough miles to take a meaningful trip, used a multitude of award search tools, never once did anything of value pop up.

Used them on cheap flights where I could've easily paid CASH.

FF & Rewards programs are utterly useless IMHO.

And what truly Amazed me was the attitude of the agents, upon the slightest critique, as in stating you can't even find simple flights, they become completely disinterested.

Once thought about using points "For a cruise" .... What a farce. The agent was like well people have to use points somewhere... They price it higher with the points than what an experienced businessperson can find rather easily.

Sheer and utter nonsense. FF in 2017. Spent them all and washed my hands of it frankly.

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Posted : October 20, 2017 9:02 am
PaulOnion
(@paulonion)
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I should revise my comments. If you have no job, and you are a professional Youtube "Travel Hacker" who can travel any day of 365 you may find a use for them,

If you have responsibilities, like children or regularly scheduled work, FUHGEDDABOUTIT

Yeah Obama's America was AWESOME, watching some Dork Californian review an airline seat.

Real progress. Right up there with the Moon Landing.

Oh and I almost used the services of AB, then I would've been REALLY HAPPY with my experience.

Pop Up Shop Hoboken Short armed Dorks. Nothing else.
Deserve much greater tortures than those you perpetuate every day.

As you can see with Trump ( Don't care what you think)

"THINGS really do eventually come around "

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Posted : October 20, 2017 9:09 am
PaulOnion
(@paulonion)
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For instance, following the geographic chopping up of the country, I would most likely following Least Common Denominator fly the "Largest airline in the WORLD".

Pssst. Your FF program which was designed to reward customers for choosing your service is SO BAD , in my case it's had the opposite effect.

I'll go out of my way to avoid your AL, because who wants to accumulate nonsense that is of no use.

Creates disenchantment and then a desire to go out of your way not to give your company revenue.

Yes we'll both survive, You'll just be doing it on somebody else's dime.

LOYALTY ....hilarious.

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Posted : October 20, 2017 9:35 am
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