YVR-YUL Flight Not Showing Up

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  1. high class

    high class Silver Member

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    I'm trying to book an award ticket from Vancouver to Montreal on 5/20 with United miles. The only ticket showing on both Expertflyer and the United website is a routing through Winnipeg. Not terrible, but I know that Air Canada has direct YVR-YUL flights on that date and they don't show up at all. Even if there's no award availability, shouldn't the flights still be on expertflyer (so I could set an alert)? Any idea why this would be? Is their award inventory not released yet?

    Thanks alot.
     
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  2. ACMM
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    I am not sure exactly what you are looking at in EF but if the same is on EF and UA then it sounds like you are booking a UA reward on AC. In that case it may be UA restricting what is shown? I think you may get more input from the ExpertFlyer forum here on milepoint. I cannot tell you what they look at or how.

    Their forum is here

    BTW - congratulations on your first post on milepoint and welcome. Sorry I could not provide any answer to you, but I am not sure this is AC related to be honest - more EF or UA depending on how you are trying to book the ticket.

    AC does release flights just under 1 year (356 days) so 05/20/2013 would definitely be there and it does show in EF if looking at a normal AC booking. Here is what EF shows for that date on AC directly

    Results from ExpertFlyer.com
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    Flight Availability Search
    Departing YVR on 05/20/13 0:00 for YUL
    Flying AC
     
     
                                                                        Frequency
    Flight        Stops  Depart            Arrive            Aircraft  Reliability    Available Classes
    0 Connections
    AC 150        0      YVR                YUL                320      Daily          J9 C9 D9 Z7 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L1 K1 N9 G9 P9 E9 A1 R1
                        05/20/13 9:00      05/20/13 16:43              71% / 31m
     
    0 Connections
    AC 194        0      YVR                YUL                321      Daily          J9 C9 D9 Z9 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L0 K0 N9 G9 P9 E9 A0 R9
                        05/20/13 11:20    05/20/13 19:03              37% / 29m
     
    0 Connections
    AC 1144      0      YVR                YUL                320      Daily          J9 C9 D9 Z9 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S6 T0 L0 K0 N9 G9 P6 E0 A0 R7
                        05/20/13 13:50    05/20/13 21:33              NA / NA
     
    0 Connections
    AC 112        0      YVR                YUL                320      Daily          J9 C9 D9 Z9 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L9 K1 N9 G9 P9 E9 A9 R8
                        05/20/13 16:10    05/20/13 23:53              53% / 20m
     
    0 Connections
    AC 182        0      YVR                YUL                320      Daily          J9 C9 D9 Z9 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L1 K1 N9 G9 P9 E9 A1 R8
                        05/20/13 23:30    05/21/13 7:14                78% / 10m
     
    1 Connection
    AC 1132      0      YVR                YYZ                763      Daily          J7 C7 D7 Z7 Y7 B7 M7 U7 H7 Q7 V7 N7 W7 G7 S7 P7 T7 E7 L7 A7 K0 R7
                        05/20/13 7:30      05/20/13 14:50              69% / 19m
    AC 418        0      YYZ                YUL                320      Daily          J7 C7 D7 Z7 Y7 B7 M7 U7 H7 Q7 V7 N7 W7 G7 S7 P7 T7 E7 L7 A7 K7 R7
                        05/20/13 16:00    05/20/13 17:13              66% / 21m
     
    1 Connection
    AC 206        0      YVR                YYC                319      Daily          J9 C9 D9 Z9 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S1 T1 L1 K1 N9 G9 P1 E1 A1 R7
                        05/20/13 9:00      05/20/13 11:24              87% / 13m
    AC 144        0      YYC                YUL                E90      Su,M,T,W,Th,F  J9 C9 D6 Z5 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S0 T0 L0 K0 N9 G9 P0 E0 A0 R1
                        05/20/13 12:15    05/20/13 18:09              40% / 25m
     
    1 Connection
    AC 234        0      YVR                YEG                E90      Daily          J7 C7 D7 Z7 Y7 B7 M7 U7 H7 Q7 V7 N7 W7 G7 S7 P7 T0 E0 L0 A0 K0 R7
                        05/20/13 8:15      05/20/13 10:42              79% / 10m
    AC 176        0      YEG                YUL                E90      Daily          J7 C7 D7 Z7 Y7 B7 M7 U7 H7 Q7 V7 N7 W7 G7 S7 P7 T0 E0 L0 A0 K0 R7
                        05/20/13 11:55    05/20/13 17:47              31% / 40m
    and here is what you see on EF for reward seating directly on AC for that date - "I" class is a business class reward...it does look like the only reward seat on AC is the one through YWG ... now this will not show Super Elite access to reward seating on AC which may open up the direct. That would only be able to be booked I believe through Aeroplan.com

    Results from ExpertFlyer.com
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    Awards & Upgrades Search
    Departing YVR on 05/20/13 0:00 for YUL
    Flying AC  on booking class X I 
     
     
                                                                        Frequency                                               
    Flight        Stops  Depart            Arrive            Aircraft  Reliability    Class Description                      Code  Seats
    1 Connection
    AC 294        0      YVR                YWG                E90      Unavailable    Exec First - Award & Alliance Partner  I    2
                        05/20/13 9:20      05/20/13 13:59              77% / 37m      Upgrde                           
     
    AC 8522      0      YWG                YUL                CRA      Unavailable    Exec First - Award & Alliance Partner  I    2
                        05/20/13 16:30    05/20/13 20:00              63% / 18m      Upgrde                           
     
     
    


    Good luck and welcome again!
     
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  3. ACMM
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    I just did a search on Aeroplan.com and was able to find reward seating direct from YVR to YUL as a Super Elite (a benefit of being Super Elite on Air Canada) using additional points (called Classic Plus on Aeroplan) ... I could not get a direct flight with the base points... now I may if I call into the Aeroplan call centre. I do not know if the Classic Plus level is available to *A partner bookings.
     
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  4. high class

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    Wow, thanks so much for the quick and comprehensive answer. Not that going through Winnipeg is such an ordeal, but perhaps I will give them a call and see what happens. Nothing to lose, right?

    Thanks again.
     
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    Let us know how it turns out :) Always interested to hear how things work from other angles!
     
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    Star Alliance partners are booked into Aeroplan Classic aka I or X class...... Classic Plus is made available to Aeroplan members where the Aeroplan miles are converted into a $ value to purchase a revenue ticket.

    If you can't find on United Airlines then either they havent loaded any reward inventories for that flight or the reward inventory has been taken up by others.
     
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  7. ACMM
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    Thanks GHT - the Classic Plus is available - the Classic is only available via YWG even for SE (again calling in to Aeroplan may yield a better result for an SE). Appreciate your information.

    So it appears that UA does have access to all currently available Classic inventory.
     
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    Also would add that if OP books the I class ticket through YWG, then standby on the direct is available in J at the airport, i.e. on the 9:00 am direct. Also, a same day change ($75) is also available for any direct flight.
     
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  9. I just did the same search and it showed every YVR/YUL flight both non stop and several one stops. They showed 17,000 AE miles but listed every flight as priority which takes my SE status into account.
    The lesson here for the OP is to get UA to push harder as all flights are wide open on that date. And if you have to make the one stop flight try and do it through YYZ where there are many more connections to YUL.
     
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  10. high class

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    Thanks for the info. I'll have to call United to book it, then Air Canada to select my seats, so I'll try to "push harder" each time and see what happens. As for connecting through YYZ, I looked into that as well and had basically the same issue as in the original post. All the flights after 3pm (when I'd be arriving at YYZ) are not shown.

    This is actually part of a larger international award and I'm doing 23 hour "layovers" in Vancouver, Montreal and Toronto on my way from Tokyo to New York. But as such, I'm very much at the mercy of the schedule. The nature of these trips is actually why I want to get the direct flight to YUL in the first place. It's only arrives a few hours earlier, but when you only have 20 hours in a city, that can make a big difference. :)

    Thanks for all the help everyone!
     
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