With airlines colluding to make travel worse, is the only solution nationalization?

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  1. ahappyelite

    ahappyelite Silver Member

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    Articles everywhere that the airlines are profiting from making air travel a superhassle. Your worst five flights probably happened in the past 12-18 months, reagardless of class of travel or fare paid. Rather than compete to make air travel cheaper and better, they are confederating to make it worse-so customers will pay for a less assaultive experience. Thanks to Congress, DOJ (and the totally toothless DOT, an essential element of the aircartels use of essentially criminal fraud, with passenger thinking: "This audacious rip off/fraud must be ok, the regulator won't stop it) a flight search today often yields two or three airlines with astoundingly high fares, coupled with inconvenient schedules and absurd connections. The airlines are engaged in an unvarnished attack on air travelers and literally every week are degrading their product. With a handful of carteliers holding the taxpayer protected skies hostage, national air travel is abominable, reconstituted frequent flyer programs essentially worthless for most. The airlines are actually telling people to drive if they don't like it. It's not like the taxpayer is not subsidizing these gangsters to the tune of billions of dollars. Britain may be about to renationalize the railways- the most hated industry in the UK. Railfares are absurd, trips are a hassle, profits are made by a cadre of investors while costs of all kinds are saddled on the taxpayer. Just like the airlines (but worse in that case because Americans must fly.). The leaders of the aerocartels would be the least surprised people if this happened-they have taken running companies for excess current quarterly profit-and ONLY that $$$-to a new low. No competitive long term business would ever brutalize their customers in the many ways the Airlines have devised, copying worst practices from one another
     
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    Oh! no!... not again?:rolleyes:
     
  3. gleff
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    Air travel is actually getting less expensive this year not more expensive (not something we have any sort of pre-ordained right to).

    There are 4 major domestic airlines, in addition to regional carriers and ultra low cost carriers. That's pretty competitive.

    But the solution to getting more competition isn't nationalization (because the federal government would do such a great job running the airline industry even more than it does already).

    The solution is to eliminate foreign ownership restrictions, bring in competition. Let ryanair, easyjet, and Singapore Airlines compete against the incumbent airlines.
     
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    You are likely preaching to the Milepoint majority choir, gleff! ;) The problem is when the <5% get political traction and dictate what then becomes law or regulation. And bring on all those foreign air carriers to compete - the consumer wins! :)
     
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    There is no chance of any meaningful competition in our country within the next decade. The world's planes are all spoken for. We are stuck with the cartel, and they are shamelessly borrowing the worst practices of Spirit-which would be grounded if the regulators did their jobs (how many people have they stranded, especially in the winter-people who didn't realize they are not a bona fide airline?) Southworst is WORSE than Ryanair-and many of their flights are 10 to 20 TIMES as expensive-they are charging more than $500 r/t NY to Chicago, and flying with them is, no exaggeration, torture. Their aircraft are disgusting: people can't fit into the toilets. The flight attendants joke about how bad they are, and their frequent flyer program is worthless, unless you need a last minute flight to Toledo. What corruption allowed Wall Street to collapse competitive air travel? How could a great nation be stuck with five terrible airlines? The airlines are not competing to make air travel better, they are COLLUDING to make it WORSE.
     
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  6. gleff
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    So now the problem isn't lack of competitive airlines, the constraint is there aren't enough planes? Tell that to Boeing that's had to slow down the production line for the 747-8, or Airbus that can't find a buyer for the A380. Tell that to all the airlines that have parked planes in the desert instead of flying them, and which haven't found a buyer in the aftermarket.

    And if "the world's planes are all spoken for" how can it be 'corrupt Wall Street' that limits air travel options?
     
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    Travelers pay $85.00 for PreCheck, ever wonder what Airlines pay under the table for decent treatment,

    Union Control
    Government. Control
    Management Control
    Customer Control, wanting more and paying less.
    Share Holders, expecting a profit for their investment..

    Anyone invested in these airline stocks...real cheap, and getting cheaper..

    How is that working for all of you...
     
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    I'm not sure it's right to say "airline stocks... real cheap, and getting cheaper"

    Year-over-year gains for airline stocks:
    American 12%
    United 17%
    Delta 26%
    Southwest 12%
    Alaska 82%
    JetBlue 152%
    Hawaiian 79%
    Allegiant 77%
    Skywest 100%
    Spirit -32%

    ... and that's after recent retrenchment.
     
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