Will AA & US Airways merge miles from their respective programs?

Discussion in 'American Airlines | AAdvantage' started by MPerski, Mar 20, 2013.  |  Print Topic

  1. MPerski

    MPerski New Member

    Messages:
    4
    Likes Received:
    4
    Status Points:
    15
    Any word on IF and WHEN Will AA & US Airways merge miles from their respective programs?
     
  2. DestinationDavid
    Original Member

    DestinationDavid Milepoint Guide

    Messages:
    6,846
    Likes Received:
    12,715
    Status Points:
    11,770
    I think it goes without saying that the two accounts will be merged sometime in the future. There's not an official annoucement from US/AA on how and when that will take place though. So any questions about million miler status, time frame for booking award tickets, etc... cannot be answered at this point.

    Welcome to MP by the way. ;)
     
  3. gleff
    Original Member

    gleff Co-founder

    Messages:
    3,616
    Likes Received:
    6,793
    Status Points:
    4,670
    Deal won't close until the 3rd quarter of the year sometime presumably

    After that there will be an opportunity to move miles back and forth between accounts most likely (HP/US, NW/DL, UA/CO all did that)

    And ultimately after that accounts in the two programs will get merged. Could it be 1 year from now? Possibly. Could it be 2 years from now? Sure.
     
  4. eponymous_coward
    Original Member

    eponymous_coward Gold Member

    Messages:
    1,901
    Likes Received:
    2,972
    Status Points:
    1,470
    No, there will be no word on IF or WHEN until the merger deal actually closes (until that happens AA and US get run as separate, competing businesses, with a small "clean room" team handling the merger and most employees continuing to do their jobs as normal- doing otherwise would leave them open to a lawsuit). We can extrapolate from past experience like gleff did, but it's waaaaaayyy too soon to be asking for concrete dates and plans.
     
    anabolism, jbcarioca and East_Yorker like this.
  5. guberif

    guberif Silver Member

    Messages:
    686
    Likes Received:
    1,060
    Status Points:
    825
    When you start seeing planes get painted, that'll be the time :)
     
  6. Counsellor
    Original Member

    Counsellor Gold Member

    Messages:
    1,221
    Likes Received:
    1,619
    Status Points:
    1,120
    Well, if AA is to contuine to be lead airline, and if the past (AA/TWA) is any guide, yes, you'll get a merged account, with lifetime credit for miles earned in the account merged into the surviving account.

    And if the surviving airline is to be in One World, the odds are the surviving FF account will be AAdvantage (although a new program with a new name is not beyond the realm of possibility -- now we can start speculating on what the hypothetical new program would do to lifetime status and perks granted in the old programs. :D)
     
    jbcarioca and East_Yorker like this.
  7. DestinationDavid
    Original Member

    DestinationDavid Milepoint Guide

    Messages:
    6,846
    Likes Received:
    12,715
    Status Points:
    11,770
    Not sure why you've listed these as an "if". We already know these things. ;)
     
  8. Canadi>n
    Original Member

    Canadi>n Gold Member

    Messages:
    1,956
    Likes Received:
    1,617
    Status Points:
    1,120
    They are being repainted...at least the AA ones. And that's the livery the new carrier will be using. As for merging FF programs, while it would be nice to see it happen in time for next March's start of the new benefit year, that may not be enough time to define which program will dominate. Since the merged carrier will still be called American, one could assume the FF program will be named AAdvantage, though it will be an amalgam of (the best) of each program (fingers crossed). Pretty sure we'll be seeing a 75K tier since US has one, as does just about every other NAmerican program. SWUs/eVIPs will be the interesting benefit yet to be defined, as will NAmerican upgrading, since AA limits unlimiteds to ExecPlats and requires credits or miles for everyone else. IIRC US has a more liberal approach akin to UA's UDU, in addition to certs and miles. All speculation, of course, but worth a closer look at the elite beneifis of each tier between each program.
     
    jbcarioca and East_Yorker like this.
  9. viguera
    Original Member

    viguera Gold Member

    Messages:
    4,737
    Likes Received:
    6,913
    Status Points:
    4,745
    The one thing that everybody knows for sure is that it's going to be a mess. :)
     
  10. marcwint55

    marcwint55 Gold Member

    Messages:
    2,517
    Likes Received:
    4,573
    Status Points:
    2,570
    that perhaps is the understatement of the year
     
    anabolism, viguera, jbcarioca and 2 others like this.
  11. HeathrowGuy
    Original Member

    HeathrowGuy Gold Member

    Messages:
    7,131
    Likes Received:
    10,591
    Status Points:
    12,520
    No official word, but whispers and rumors tend to suggest that new American will be rather more aggressive in its FF integration timetable than was the case for DL/NW or UA/CO -- in part because the carriers are in different alliances, and also to minimize the period of post-merger uncertainty on program terms and benefits that competitors will undoubtedly attempt to exploit (just as AA did in its competitors' prior mergers).

    To the point, it's my understanding that, provided the merger closes on or close to schedule, the goal is to phase out Dividend Miles at the end of the current Preferred year (which runs until February 28, 2014.
     
  12. PanAm
    Original Member

    PanAm Silver Member

    Messages:
    342
    Likes Received:
    465
    Status Points:
    545
    12:01 AM EST on April 1, 2014
     
  13. Mike Reed

    Mike Reed Gold Member

    Messages:
    2,414
    Likes Received:
    3,574
    Status Points:
    2,025
    AA has stated already that there's no intent to add a fourth level.
     
  14. ord_a380

    ord_a380 Silver Member

    Messages:
    103
    Likes Received:
    111
    Status Points:
    375
    Hopefully not. We do not need a fourth tier like the others.
     
    jbcarioca likes this.
  15. eponymous_coward
    Original Member

    eponymous_coward Gold Member

    Messages:
    1,901
    Likes Received:
    2,972
    Status Points:
    1,470
    Soon "we" will include US Platinum Preferred, who probably won't be big fans of paying $30 for every sticker and being behind lifetime Platinums or people who fly 50,001-74,999 miles on the upgrade lists.
     
    viguera and jbcarioca like this.
  16. Canadi>n
    Original Member

    Canadi>n Gold Member

    Messages:
    1,956
    Likes Received:
    1,617
    Status Points:
    1,120
    When was this? It might not go down well with US elites who are in the 75K-99K range each year and enjoy having enhanced benefits over those down near 50K. UA faced this same situation since CO's top tier was 75K. If it had not added a 75K tier there's have been a rebellion from the CO elites. I'd say the same thing would be the case for US elites in this tier. (There's also a strong argument for such a tier given the first two tiers are separated by 25K, but the net jump is 50K. Those who don't cross 100K get lumped into the huge mid-tier whether they earn 51K or 99K.
     
    eponymous_coward and jbcarioca like this.
  17. Photonerd71

    Photonerd71 Silver Member

    Messages:
    762
    Likes Received:
    973
    Status Points:
    770
    If that is the case then I guess the UA/CO merger is still not done. Can still find old UA paint jobs on some rj's at IAH. ;)
     
  18. Canadi>n
    Original Member

    Canadi>n Gold Member

    Messages:
    1,956
    Likes Received:
    1,617
    Status Points:
    1,120
    Check out some of the overhaul hangers at EWR and IAH too...still Continental!
     
  19. Photonerd71

    Photonerd71 Silver Member

    Messages:
    762
    Likes Received:
    973
    Status Points:
    770
    I might try that next week while I'm home, going up on the top level of the parking garage at IAH is a pretty good place to take some pics. (Yes i am a dork/nerd with no life)
     
  20. Aktchi
    Original Member

    Aktchi Silver Member

    Messages:
    609
    Likes Received:
    668
    Status Points:
    720
    If AA wanted to keep its present structure, one way to smoothen the transition would be to offer the US 75'ers a special one time EXP, perhaps with only 4 SWUs to keep the 100K folks feeling differentiated. After the first year everybody plays by the same rules.
     
    anabolism likes this.
  21. Mike Reed

    Mike Reed Gold Member

    Messages:
    2,414
    Likes Received:
    3,574
    Status Points:
    2,025
    Or no SWU's and just exp privs.

    Sent from my iPhone using milepoint
     
  22. anabolism
    Original Member

    anabolism Gold Member

    Messages:
    1,403
    Likes Received:
    1,771
    Status Points:
    1,120
    I missed that -- do you have a reference handy, or can you say where AA said this?
     
  23. Mike Reed

    Mike Reed Gold Member

    Messages:
    2,414
    Likes Received:
    3,574
    Status Points:
    2,025
    It was in a recent post here quoting an interview with AA, maybe even Horton. Don't have the link handy and search on the iPhone sucks.

    Sent from my iPhone using milepoint
     
  24. eponymous_coward
    Original Member

    eponymous_coward Gold Member

    Messages:
    1,901
    Likes Received:
    2,972
    Status Points:
    1,470
    ... which means nothing pre-merger while AA and US are being run as separate businesses. "Well, we didn't have intent THEN..."
     
    Aktchi and LETTERBOY like this.

Share This Page