What happens if MX on a partner with two PNRs?

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  1. ericb

    ericb Silver Member

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    Hey, I figured this is a question someone can easily answer here and I've done enough searching that it makes sense to post.

    I'm flying UA ORD-LIM and GRU-SFO

    On a different PNR, I have a GIG-GRU flight on TAM that gets me in to GRU in time to make my connection (2 hours). If the TAM flight is late, is it treated as an MX amongst partners or as a no-show on UA? Both are revenue tix.

    * Key assumption is that TAM is still part of star alliance during my travel dates (Nov 2012) and still partners with UA.
    **Other key assumption is that they interline bags - though I'm going to do my best to not check a bag, I've heard TAM is strict on carry on size.
    ***UA and TK *G

    This situation might also happen with Taca CUS-LIM-GRU (award) and a separate TAM PNR for GRU-FLN (rev)

    In case someone just recommends combining them into one purchase, I'd like to purchase TAM and UA Tix separately so I could use some UA VDB vouchers and generally avoid the mixed-metal finger pointing - they don't allow TCVA vouchers on non-UA right?

    Eric
     
  2. Wandering Aramean
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    Wandering Aramean Gold Member

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    You're mostly screwed. The airlines CAN work to alleviate the issue but they are not required to.

    You are correct that it is not possible to use a TCV on a UA ticket when it involves partners.

    Good luck.
     
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  3. KVS Tool

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    That would be at the discretion of the UA ground staff at GRU -- technically, you do not have an actual [airline-to-airline] connection.

    However, the fact that your pseudo-connection is within the MCT is helpful:

    [KVS Availability Tool 7.0.5/Diamond - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: GRU/JJ-UA]
    Code:
                                                   DD  DI  ID  II   
    STANDARD:         GRU                          060 060 090 060  
    
    EXCEPTIONS:                                                     
    A/L FLT-NBR         DEPARR       EFF / DISC                     
    
    JJ                     GRU                     --- --- 180 ---  
    -ALL-               CGH                                         
    
    JJ                                             --- 120 --- ---  
    UA 0001-0199                                                    
    
    JJ                                             --- 120 --- ---  
    UA 1000-1744                                                    
    
    JJ                                             --- 120 --- ---  
    UA 3970-5289                                                    
    
    JJ                                             --- 060 --- ---  
    UA 7324-7423                                                    
    
    -ALL-               CGH                        --- 180 --- SUP  
    UA 0001-0199                                                    
    
    -ALL-               CGH                        --- 180 --- SUP  
    UA 1000-1744                                                    
    
    -ALL-               CGH                        --- 180 180 SUP  
    UA 3970-5289                                                    
    
    -ALL-                                          --- 090 180 060  
    UA 0001-0199 
                               --- 090 180 060  
    UA 1000-1744                                                    
    
    -ALL-                                          --- 090 --- 060  
    UA 3970-5289                                                    
    
    JJ 3330                        05JAN12         --- 120 --- ---  
    -ALL-                                                           
    
    JJ 3805                                        090 120 --- ---  
    -ALL-                                                           
    
    JJ 8034                                        --- --- 090 090  
    -ALL-                                                           
    
    JJ 8000-8199        CNF                        --- --- --- 120  
    -ALL-                                                           
    
    JJ 8000-8199        GIG                        --- --- --- 120  
    -ALL-                                                           
    
    JJ 8030-8037                                   --- --- --- 090  
    -ALL-                                                           
    
    JJ                                             --- 120 --- ---  
    -ALL-                                                           
    **END OF DISPLAY**                                              
    
     
  4. ericb

    ericb Silver Member

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    Damn, Seth you're about as authoritative as it gets on these things. :( Thanks for the help!

    Good thing I haven't purchased tickets yet. :)

    Looking again, I may have stumbled upon an error on the airports' wiki pages, UA apparently operates a 777 (UA860) between GIG-GRU. Currently have the itin on hold, (it even took my cert!) so this may be the safest option.
     
  5. ericb

    ericb Silver Member

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    Even more awesome, adding GIG-GRU drops the price $60 (roughly the cost of the TAM flight) so I save $120 with this routing and get mileage.
     
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  6. Wandering Aramean
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    Wandering Aramean Gold Member

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    Yes, UA operates the GIG-GRU tag on flight. It can be useful. If you can get the return to price as GIG-SFO instead of GRU-SFO that's probably best.
     
  7. ericb

    ericb Silver Member

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    Yeah, though you have to force feed it the GIG-GRU-ORD-SFO routing as individual flights, neither UA or ITA seemed to catch that it's $400 cheaper than GIG-IAH-SFO, even when I constrained the tool to specify a connection in GRU and that it has to be on star-alliance on that day.

    Still need to better understand fare components, and ITAs more-advanced search constraints

    It would be interesting to see if there is some piece of the algorithm that factors in the impact a connection has on a customer's willingness to pay and ranks non-stop/more expensive flights higher in the results, even if cheaper, more byzantine routes exist. There could also be city-pair specific depth-first search constraints to prioritize routings that look logical to the average air traveler. A vast majority (excluding us) won't fly SFO-LAX in 7 hops, even if the fare is $10.

    Hipmunk does this with "agony" but everyone has a different implied cost of connecting.
     

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