Over on the FB board elsewhere, there is outrage over the new FB structure for intra-EU awards. The "new" notional "three-tier" - but factually, large non-integer multiple - is straight out of the loathed DL SM playbook from several years ago. Remember this... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...rld-record-even-dl-sm-best-class-alright.html Remember that the number presented was several non-integer multiples higher than the supposed maximum for such a redemption. DL apologists didn't like this discussion and eventually banned me from their board. I laugh at them, then and now. However, why people buried their heads in the sand and wanted to dismiss the change in logic as a "glitch" or unimportant and incidental, I cannot understand. Because accepting opaque pricing logic like that is what kills the program for everyone. As is happening now. So. You will see that AF/KL have been busy learning how to implement the JeffLogic [tm]. It summarily destroys system value because not only are these demands much more costly than before, but the actual number cannot be known prior to attempting the redemption in question. This actively disincetivizes the collection and redemption of FFP. At least over on FB there seem to be fewer apologists wanting to make excuses for this kind of Jeff-logic [tm]. But even if you like DL SM, use your brainpower and consider the implications of this move. Now that FB is moving to a multiple- and variable tier system, like DL SM, it will destroy the value of SM for those based in the US who have come to depend on AF/KL hard pricing for awards and are seeking out the TATL gateways. How long will it be before redeeming on AF/KL is as capricious and valueless as it currently is on SM? No low-tier AF Affaires from any gateway any more. All 475k or more. Or 635k, not all of which is in J. No longer a fantasy, no. And, let's be magnanimous. What a strategic move by Jeff! Yoo-hoo! Now, he can trumpet "no big rescissions to DL SM program, we still operate the "three-tier" system as before. But practically, it will be totally different. You know what's coming. Apologists, I welcome your best efforts to defend this move or explain how it won't affect those using SM. Otherwise, redeem now and lock them in.