Virgin America coming to Newark

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  1. Infinite1K
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    Is going head-to-head with United on one of their hub-to-hub routes really the way to make money? And it (in my opinion) doesn't really expand their overall network reach significantly since they already cover the New York market via JFK.

    I guess as a United flyer I welcome it if it keeps the prices down or brings along promos.
     
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    Of course not.

    But, for passengers, the one-way fares look a lot better once VX shows up:

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    I, for one, welcome one-way pricing from WN, B6, and VX.
     
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    AS also prices pretty much everything as one way fares, too.
     
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    What is Virgin America's relationship with Virgin Atlantic?
    The point of my question is about the joint venture (semi-merger) between Virgin Atlantic and DL and how this will play out domestically.
     
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    DL does that a lot as well, does UA not?
     
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    The two share some common branding and have reciprocity in their loyalty programs. Otherwise absolutely no relationship. It won't really affect anything domestically except for pushing some DL domestic feed into VS TATL flights.
    The legacies do when another carrier forces them to. DL has more competition from non-legacy carriers at some hubs so they do it a bit more. But where there is no direct competition they avoid it. See the one-way pricing EWR-LAX I posted above as an example.
     
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    Aah, now it makes sense why I can't get good one way pricing PWM-LGA.
     
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    But you should be able to PWM-JFK given that JetBlue also flies the route. I'm actually a little surprised that DL doesn't price as one-way fares bases on that since they treat JFK/LGA as the same market in most cases.
     
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    For some reason in the summer roundtrip is always cheaper on PWM-LGA used to be different when they flew PWM-JFK (though they also flew larger aircraft PWM-JFK than PWM-LGA.
     
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    I just looked at June 2013. Looks like $90 o/w for PWM-JFK/LGA on both DL and B6. No need to buy a return fare. Now the $90 may be more than it was in the past, but the fare is one-way; there is not a premium to avoid the return trip.

    Compare that to United which charges $367 o/w PWM-EWR but a return trip over the weekend was $245 for a random date I picked. Same dates had DL/B6 at $180 for the return trip, exactly double the $90 o/w fare.
     
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    I'm delighted by this, having just had to fly to JFK because the fares were so ridiculous to EWR. Big thumbs up for competition.
     
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    Obviously this will probably help drive down what were some really outrageous fares for O&D traffic between EWR-SFO, especially compared to JFK-SFO, but I think it will be interesting to see what this does to the way UA decides to compete product-wise. The cross country flight is really at the point where even a domestic F seat is really lacking (especially for a full fare, paying customer). On the PS routes, UA already had a premium product when VX entered the market. On this route, with the exception of the occasional 757 with flat beds, UAs product is a distant second to VX, from the hard product up front (and in the back for what its worth), to the catering, to the lack of wifi.
     
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    Well, United's initial response is to dump inventory on the route like it is going out of style. They'll be running what is effectively hourly shuttle service on both the LAX and SFO routes starting this summer. :eek:


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    I think I better start doing something with my 10,000 Elevate points.
     
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    Same response they had when VX started ORD, plus starting competition on the only route (as far as I know) VX had out of SFO that UA didn't already fly (SFO-FLL).
     
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    For those that whined about not getting upgrades hub-to-hub: problem solved.
     
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    Nothing like a good 'ole scorched earth response from UA there. How long is a schedule like that actually sustainable for them?
     
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    A lot longer than it's sustainable for VX to try and compete against it.
     
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    UA is still running a crapload of flights on SFO-ORD and vice versa as well.
     
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    I just wonder how many of those "738's" will change to RJ's by the time summer rolls around????
    But, thanks for that info WA, seems incredible how many flights they posted.
     
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    If by RJs you mean 320s, then probably quite a few.
     
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    Wait, I've seen this movie before. ;) It won't end well for VX. Unlike JFK where there are many other competitors, there is only one at EWR and history has shown they will defend it. That with the large established base of UA Elites at EWR, VX won't steal much of the high revenue business they need. Given VX's current financial status, this could either be a quick retreat like YYZ or the start of their failure.
     

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