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Discussion in 'United Airlines | MileagePlus' started by MX, Oct 31, 2012.
I imagine that UA examines all options. Failure to do so is likely not fulfilling their fiduciary responsibilities to shareholders.
This isn't news. They ordered Airbus 350s in 2009 to replace 747s.
Except the article calls out the A350-1000 to replace the 747's. The A350-900 (which was ordered in 2009) cannot replace the 747 in terms of # of seats. The -900 can seat about 300. The -1000 will seat 350-360 or so depending on cabin layout. UA's 747's currently seat 374 people.
The -900 will replace 767's.
Pretty sure that the 787s replace the 767s and the 359 replaces 777s.
Until UA orders the 777X.
or 748 ... I mean if the next AF1 is 748 then UA should take it too!
It's disgusting to read 777 and "replace" in the same sentence. I'm in denial
I'll man up and admit that I was wrong about United and the A350. I thought the plane had near-zero chance of ever joining the UA fleet post-merger, but now its acquisition has turned into a virtual necessity for UA (and likely, the WOS) given that Boeing is punting the new 777 until the 2020s. United's recent move to sequester the 747-400 fleet at SFO underscores just how problematic that fleet has become, and I can't imagine UCH's management team waiting another TEN years for delivery of a suitable replacement (a 5-6 year wait for the A350 is pushing things as it is).
I'm sure they could get some 748s quite soon if they really wanted them!
Perhaps, but what would be the point? United is clearly moving in a direction on longhaul flying that warrants fewer, not more, VLAs than could have been projected even 5 years ago. With an emphasis on serving more of its international destinations from more USA gateways, the near-completion of the NRT-bypass strategy for serving Asia, and a need for fleet flexibility to closely match capacity to profitable demand, it's a tough, tough case to bring any VLAs to United. The A350-1000 or new 777 is enough airplane for UA at the high end of the capacity spectrum.
Good catch. But, they had said all along the original 350 order would replace 747s. There was always the question about capacity reduction they never really addressed.
Sent from the heart of Redneckistan
The capacity reduction was to be mitigated through expanding the number of gateways on the table, i.e., via a merger with another international-focused carrier.
Basically the usual negotiating tactic looking Boeing this time we are really serious and then the usual they get the deal and pick Boeing. I would like to see some 748's come online for United to replace the 744.
When are they going to merge? ;-)
With SQ, right?
Considering most, if not all, of UA's 747 base and traffic are moving to SFO I'd take CX as the carrier of international focus to work with UA
No, with Continental. CO added two major international gateways over which UA is flowing traffic. And as we've seen thus far, UA intends to right size much if its long haul flying using shifts in sCO equipment.