UA's 2013 European Flight changes

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  1. AZjohn

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    Excuse me if this is not OK, but just saw this on the "other site" and found this very interesting. This is not my personal data I'm posting, but from another poster (this is why I am not sure it's OK to post it here). So, mods can delete if needed. If not, I find some of these changes (ones not announced yet) very interesting:

    First major changes to UA's S13 Europe operation is out this weekend (05/06OCT12).

    Majority of the changes below are in effect from 30MAR13 from US, 31MAR13 from Europe.

    Chicago – Munich Continental 767-400ER replaces UNITED 777

    Houston – Amsterdam UNITED 2-class 767-300ER replaces Continental 767-400ER

    Houston – London Heathrow
    *Service increases from 2 to 3 daily (Other FT member posted this...)
    *All service switches from Continental 777-200ER to UNITED 2-class 767-300ER (....but this was not mentioned)
    UA920 IAH1541 – 0655+1LHR 763 D
    UA984 IAH1831 – 0940+1LHR 763 D
    UA970 IAH2030 – 1205+1LHR 763 D

    UA921 LHR0930 – 1355IAH 763 D
    UA985 LHR1140 – 1605IAH 763 D
    UA971 LHR1305 – 1745IAH 763 D

    Newark – Rome UNITED 2-class 767-300ER replaces Continental 767-400ER

    Newark – Zurich Continental 767-400ER continues operation (from W12), replaces UNITED 767-300ER

    Washington Dulles – Amsterdam UNITED 3-class 767-300ER continues operation (from W12), replaces Continental 757

    Washington Dulles – London Heathrow
    eff 31MAR13 Continental 757 (UA004/005) replaces UNITED 767-300ER (UA922/923)
    eff 26APR13 Introduction of 4th daily service (UA130/131; UA131 from 27APR13) with Continental 757
    UA004 IAD0938 – 2155LHR 752 D
    UA918 IAD1805 – 0620+1LHR 777 D
    UA130 IAD1850 – 0735+1LHR 752 D
    UA924 IAD2200 – 1010+1LHR 777 D

    UA005 LHR0755 – 1106IAD 752 D
    UA919 LHR1200 – 1515IAD 777 D
    UA131 LHR1305 – 1700IAD 752 D
    UA925 LHR1620 – 1935IAD 777 D

    Washington Dulles – Moscow Domodedovo Service cancelled in Summer 2013

    Washington Dulles – Munich Continental 767-400ER replaces UNITED 777 (New UA002/001 route)

    Washington Dulles – Rome UNITED 777-200ER replaced by
    30MAR13 – 03AUG13 Continental 767-400ER
    UA042 IAD1744 – 0830+1FCO 764 D
    UA043 FCO1110 – 1455IAD 764 D

    eff 04AUG13 UNITED 3-class 767-300ER
    UA966 IAD1744 – 0830+1FCO 763 D
    UA967 FCO1110 – 1455IAD 763 D

    Washington Dulles – Zurich Continental 767-400ER replaces UNITED 767-300ER

    Plus the new Chicago - Shannon 5 weekly from 06JUN13 to 26AUG13 and resumption of San Francisco - Paris CDG from 09APR13.

    More changes will be filed in the coming weeks.
     
  2. Hartmann
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    Depending on what changes they file next week, the only 777s flying out of IAH will be IAH-NRT and the occasional IAH-HNL.
     
  3. guberif

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    You should probably credit this to Airline Route - they tweeted the exact info last night (and they tend to get pretty snarky about people not crediting them). Not sure if it was credited on TOBB though...
     
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  4. meFIRST

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    I'm really disappointed that the Moscow flight is gone. I was on that flight every 2-3 months for the last 2 years. United made a very poor attempt to market the flights. Major marketing failure.
    Who ever does Marketing for UA for the last 2 years needs to rethink his/her job performance for this market.

    I offered my post mortem on TOBB.
    (reposted here)

    1) United is not luxurious enough, for the Russians. I mean really, SQ fills up and ROUTINELY oversells their flight to DME-IAH in Business. When I was at DME a few days ago there was no window seat to be had in Business class. In fact, the flight was oversold. BA flies a 747 from LHR to DME and F is routinely full. United can't fill up and run a 767 from dulles and make buck like eveyone else?

    2) No Russian language support . Go to the United website, the only available language is English. What a way to do business in Russia!

    3) No local feed . Not everyone goes to Moscow. It would help if United codeshared with Transaero. I think this could have been a win win relationship, since UN flies to LAX

    4) No cargo business . With the exception of NASA cargo (which leaves from IAH anyway, the plane was mostly luggage).

    5) No understanding of the local market . Refer back to point #1, #2, and I think marketing is almost no existant. Actually anyone that knows the local market knows that old school travel agents (since extinct in the US) do very well in Russia and that's how a lot of travel is purchased. I'm guessing United is offering 0% commissions....

    The only positive : The united ticket counter, located right in the center of the international side of DME airport
    __________________

    I hope UA keeps its ticket counter at DME. Prime real estate.
     
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    I wonder where they are pulling all these 767's from. Pretty much every route mentioned is going to be flown by them.
     
  7. TravelerRob
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    Question is where are the 777 going? Very sorry to see IAH seeing such a TATL downgrade. I guess I won't be using that as my connecting city for extra miles next year.

    Regarding DME - even DL is having a serious problem there. So either there just isn't enough traffic from the US non-stop to Russia or Aeroflot is doing a fantastic job of filling up their LAX/IAD/JFK flights.

    -RM
     
  8. Hartmann
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    My uninformed guess is that a few LAX-Asia or LAX-Europe routes have been identified as not needing F and will now be flown on a 2-cabin bird.

    IAH-LHR going to 3x isn't really a downgrade unless you're saying the sUA service and seat sucks. It is an upgrade in terms of # of seats. Capacity will increase by 108 seats.
     
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    Ghettobird conversions.
     
  10. HeathrowGuy
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    Aeroflot caters to the market between Russia and the USA quite well these days. On longhaul they're basically as good as anyone else in Y and C. So, Russians primarily travel with the homeland carrier (the predominant traffic flow is from the Russian side, giving SU the advantage) and UA/DL/SQ duke it out for the remaining table scraps.
     
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    United has already told its flight crews that sCO longhaul redeployments to SFO and LAX are to be rolled out later this year and early next. In fact, sCO should be taking over virtually all the longhaul flying from LAX except Australia, IINM.
     
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    So where are all the sUA long-haul aircraft going? The desert?
     
  13. HeathrowGuy
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    No, to sCO hubs.
     
  14. Seacarl
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    Is that maximize the batman? Or to motivate the pilots' unions to come to a joint contract?
     
  15. meFIRST

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    UN (Transaero) also flies to DME from JFK and LAX, and has a very good first class product. Business Class is so, so. Competitive prices.

    UA failed in so many aspects. Since the traffic is as you say predominantly from the Russian side, the UA website did not even cater to the market. Go to the UA website, select Russia as your country and the only language option is English. Major fail.
     
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    I'm flying one next month. As I understand it, the inside is completely new?. Are there traces that it used to be a Ghettobird?
     
  17. AZjohn

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    All I can say is WOW.......
     
  18. Hartmann
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    An A320 FA told me that the opening of the IAH sUA crew base has started and there will be 500 crewmembers as part of it.
     
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    Completely new. It's basically a Continental bird now.

    The only 'ghetto' aspects about them are the pervasive maintenance issues (mostly electrical).
     
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    Plus, actually citing a source when you don't produce the info yourself is the right thing to do. ;)
     
  21. HeathrowGuy
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    Wow what? Having sCO operate LAX-NRT/LHR/PVG makes a lot of sense.
     
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    How so? From a cost standpoint it reeks of sCO management trimming the costs since sCO FAs are paid lower than sUA FAs and I Imagine the operating costs are better as well on sCO birds versus sUA birds. Making moves like this i.e increasing sCO flying and reducing sUA flying while under separate contracts doesn't really ameliorate the feelings of labor.
     
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    It isn't cutting UA flying if the planes are still in the air, just on different routes. :rolleyes:

    In markets where there is higher Y demand then it makes sense to offer more Y seats. Being able to do that at a lower cost is even better. How is it a bad thing?
     
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    A.nut speculation (FWIW) is that, given UA's most recent capacity guidance to investors (flat), the reason we're not yet seeing reassignment of many of these 777s that have been pulled in the schedules is because UA is planning to park several of the 744s and use 777s on those routes, where possible.

    ETA - As domestic 763s get reconfigured and deployed on former 764 and 777 routes (along with incoming 787s), that drop in capacity is made up by 753s, and incoming 739ERs backfill the capacity that the 753s once carried.
     
  25. Hartmann
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    This is an interesting scenario if it plays out. Take for instance ORD-HKG, which is technically out of range for the 744s.

    Cutting the 744s and replacing them with 777s where they can is definitely a cut in capacity. I wonder what else is to come with the recent disappointing PRASM numbers.
     

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