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Discussion in 'United Airlines | MileagePlus' started by kokonutz, Mar 1, 2011.
I was very pleased with this flight experience.
I also noticed this flight on Unitedcargo's widebody schedule. This is the only flight listed as being operated with a 330. All the rest of UA's widebodies are 747/767/777.
Took this flight in Y recently. The Irish flight crews and the AVOD were great. The food was all but inedible. All in all definitely a flight I'd take again.
does J get the EI Waterford crystal glasses?
Agree with the OP. Did this flight back in Sept 10 with little advance notice and was easily able to upgrade Y>C with UA SWU (all on UA bomb with no problems). Good flight, decent food. C always better than Y. Slept for several hours on good seats on way out and easy connection on Spanair to Barcelona. Would happily do again. Good on way back to Den thru IAD.
I may have to take this flight to nick one.
Koko, how was the food and IFE? Please post some pics, if you have them.
This is a very helpful post kokonutz--I'll be trying this out next week.
Am I the only one that thinks that what United has done with outsourcing this flight and the crews is a kick in the teeth to the United employees? If they can't fly this route profitably with UA crew then they shouldn't fly it. (not that I believe this is the real reason for doing this...this was a little Tilton experiment in outsourcing) I hope this is one thing that disappears with the merger.
As an aside, the AFA (who also represent mainline UA flight attendants) is looking to organize the Aer Lingus flight attendants based at IAD, per http://yourafa.org/2012-01-06/news/...n-with-the-association-of-flight-attendants-2
I think this is the AFA setting a trap. They unionize, drive up costs and limit the work rules which will make the outsourcing less cost competitive.
If they unionize and drive up costs so much so that UA ends the outsourcing and EI lays off all their IAD based flight attendants and any hint of that trap is in written form, I can imagine AFA getting sued for conspiring against their EI IAD members. So no, I can't imagine AFA is setting a trap.
The major unions seem pretty desperate to remain in control. Killing off an avenue for outsourcing of mainline flying would be a big win for the big airlines unions. Agree that they'd be in deep trouble if there was intent that could be proved.
And as it is, AFA already represents a bunch of the regional airline flight attendants.
I doubt that the EI-operated flight is long for this world anyways. Unionizing the FAs based at IAD wouldn't change that.
Has there been talk of UA expanding this type of subcontracting arrangement to other routes?
Not if New UA ever wants a semblance of labor peace and good customer service.
Plus the new UA has a rather different fleet mix that can help them operate these more marginal routes at lower costs than what either could directly prior to the merger. IAD-MAD is actually shorter than IAD-CDG or IAD-AMS.
It would be interesting to know how much this "experiment" saved UA.
So could we see them eliminating the subcontracting arrangement entirely once all the union contracts are merged and done with?
Indeed who in their right mind with cash in their coffers would want to fly a 757 in BusinessFirst versus an A332 with EI Business Seating...
We could, and I expect we will, though I expect that the timing of the change is more about the contract with EI, not with the unions.
The flight was supposedly profitable for both entities, but I'm sure we'll never know. My guess is that ultimately the experiment doesn't really work unless you can do it on more than one route.
Agreed, there must be a certain overhead (management, customer support, IT and otherwise) involved with such an odd-ball flight that may or may not have made it worth the whole thing without further routes. Sometimes KISS is best, and with the broader range of aircraft available now to UACO, I suspect they'll simplify.
I'm only 10 months late in answering this question, but yes, they do. Well, as of May 2011, when I did, anyway.
I did the exact same thing - IAD-MAD, followed by JK MAD-BCN. Used a SWU (at booking, was NC1) from IAD-MAD. Loved the flight - great service, great food, fantastic IFE, nice wide seat, and I honestly didn't mind the slanted lie-flat. I am a side-sleeper, and had no trouble sleeping even with the slight angle.
I realize that operationally, it might be "cleaner" to get rid of this flight - but I, for one, would love to see it stay, because it's frankly nicer than most of the other C service available ex-IAD on UA. Other than IAD-NRT, I'd say that EI IAD-MAD is one of the best uses of a SWU out of IAD. And it's a nice change, too, from even the CO lie-flat 752s and 772s. Not better, per se - just different.