TSA allows knives on planes, flight attendants union calls decision 'dangerous'

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  1. sobore
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    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/05/tsa-allows-knives-on-board/

    The Transportation Security Administration announced Tuesday that U.S. airline passengers will soon be allowed to carry small knives in their carry-on bags, a move that prompted swift condemnation from a flight attendants union.

    The union for Southwest Airlines flight attendants called the decision "dangerous" and "designed to make the lives of TSA staff easier, but not make flights safer."

    The changes were made public by TSA Administrator John Pistole during an aviation conference in New York.

    Starting April 25, passengers going through U.S. airports can bring on board Swiss Army-type knives -- specifically, ones with blades no longer than 2.36 inches.

     
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    Heads up for international travelers. Other countries still won't be allowing them. I had my small key knife taken from me in Mexico, but I had flown with it a lot in the US without issue. I'm not sure why anyone cares about this size of knife...isn't the cockpit still behind that reinforced door?
     
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    Here's the official TSA page about the change, which takes effect April 25: http://www.tsa.gov/pil-sharpobjects

    Here's the meat of it:
     
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    :(Guess I still can't bring this baby on board.

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    :p
     
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    Not unless it's a tiny replica! :D
     
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    If only they halted the "War on Water".... that would really be a huge improvement in making everyone's life easier....
     
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    A small knife of that size jabbed in the right spot on the neck can kill someone. Of course the knife has to be sharp for that.
     
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    Yeah, but probably a pen can also be lethal used in the right way. Not to mention cracking one of the glass goblets in first class and using that as a blade. I mean where do you draw the line?
     
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    This should make it easier to bring corkscrews on board.

    For the record, TSA allows passengers to bring plastic knives, for example plastic silverware to eat food you bring.

    Also for the record, some countries don't allow tiny manicure scissors--for example, Singapore.
     
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    Metal knives with serrated edges are available on many flights in First. Metal forks, too.
    One of the reasons given for allowing these knives is that they slow down security and they are not perceived to be a significant threat to the flight deck crew. I do think that the attendant's union's complaint has validity, though, as a 2.36 inch blade can be scary to many. If the objection gets traction, we may see the TSA reduce the acceptable blade size (1.5 inches is the mini swiss army knife while 2.36 inches is the small version) or rethink it entirely. I do not think either blade is likely to cause more damage than any of the other implements mentioned above, especially when the potential victim sees it coming and has help.
    Maybe its time to buy Victorinox stock...
     
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    I could probably find a dozen things that are already on the plane that are within arms' reach of a person in their seat that could be used to kill someone if done properly.

    Not to mention that if knives are allowed, for every terrorist/hijacker who now brings a knife, there will be several regular passengers who also have knives. The rules changed on 9/11/01. The public figured out before the end of the day--before UA93 crached, to be specific--that nobody other than the pilot/crew can be allowed to control the plane. So, never again will someone be able to take over like they did on 9/11. The prohibition on knives made sense as a short-term deal. It doesn't make sense any more. Swords? Should still be banned. <3" pocket knives, even locking ones? Should be allowed.
     
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    I think I'll leave mine at home for the time being. Seeing how good the TSA is at knowing and applying their own rules, chances are it would be confiscated by someone with their own set of rules.
     
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    Or short it? With people having less of these confiscated, the sales will go down!
     
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    And I thought the rules were applied consistently and homogeneously across our great system...
     
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    Good move. Those knifes will have no effect on safety. If someone wanted to do damage, there are so many more lethal items at hand. Snap off the metal handle of a rollerboard and you'll have a 14" sword with a sharp, ragged edge.
     
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    Used that once on a snoring seatmate. :eek:
     
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    2.36 inches, huh? Heaven forbid anyone learn metric.

    Will TSA now carry rulers? Will they be $100 government issued rulers?
     
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    Well, it seems they picked the length in centimeters and then converted for those unskilled in metric units, since the official TSA page states:

    The blade must be no more than 2.36 inches or 6 cm in length – from tip to where it meets the handle or hilt

    http://www.tsa.gov/pil-sharpobjects
     
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    Yeah I know, hence my comment: Heaven forbid anyone learn metric. :eek:
     
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    So what's more dangerous-a knife with a 2.4 inch blade or a bottle of water?

    So what's more dangerous-a hockey stick or a 3.5 ounce tube of toothpaste?

    So what's more dangerous-<insert your favorite TSA stoopit logic here>
     
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    I think you mean War on Toothpaste.
     
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    That fluoride can be dangerous! :D
     
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    There's a PDF up helpfully explaining the new rules pictorially:
    http://www.tsa.gov/sites/default/files/assets/pdf/tsa_permitted_items_update.pdf

    Some interesting finds in the PDF and associated links. Like it's OK to carry golf clubs now, but only 2. I suppose that's because carrying three yields too much power to three-handed flyers. And I suppose a 23 inch steel baseball bat is just fine but an 18 inch billy-club is not.

    Also wonder why the new rules don't go in effect until April 25th. Do they need that much time to issue yardsticks?
     
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    Gotta order those 2.36 inch measuring mini-sticks. And have exhaustive training on what golf clubs look like. Potentially with a field trip to a golf club.
     
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    So are flash cards for TSO's what comes next out of our hard earned tax dollars?
     

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