Tesla Model S becomes best selling car model in Norway

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  1. jbcarioca
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    It seems we're quite excited about these in the KivaDO threads, but maybe it is just me.
    Anyway, it's probably time to continue the discussions in a distinct thread. If we carry this on for some time I'll change the title to be a little bit less specific.

    However the big news is that the Tesla Model S actually became the best selling car model in Norway in September with 616 registrations and a 5.1% market share. Norway has very generous subsidies for electric vehicles so others, like the Nissan leaf, also do very well.

    http://translate.google.com/transla..._2013/bilsalget_i_september/&anno=2&sandbox=1
     
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    Google Translate had some issues with that page:

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    As one who works with devices (MRI scanners) whose diagnostic power is measured in Tesla units, I am glad to see that the rehabilitation of the name of Nikola Tesla continues...
     
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    Yes, I've heard it's a really hot item these days. . .
     
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    Do you own a TMS, jbcarioca? Tesla Model S sells quite well, I believe there are now over 6000 TMS registered here, with sales skyrocketing. Very, very popular, since the price is low compared to other cars with the same performance and space. Also the SC network help in selling the TMS. Now, you can also rent the TMS at OSL airport, and a new term being coined is "Tesla tourism"..

    The market for EVs here is strong, due to the low/non-existent tax on EVs. As an example, 1500 VW e-Golf were sold during the first few hours after it went on sale and is extremely popular, despite the limited range (190km) compared to TMS. An e-Golf is actually cheaper than the cheapest base model Golf with the smallest 1.2TSI 85hp engine. More than 2200 e-Golfs have been sold so far, plus a similar number of VW e-Up! The BMW i3 is also very popular, but is is a lot more expensive than the e-Golf.The Nissan Leaf is still selling very well, and soon we'll see the very reasonably priced Kia Soul EV and the Renault Zoe.

    I predict that in 5 years time, given EVs with a standard range of 350-400km, no-one will want to buy a fossil fuel car here.
     
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    Sadly, I do not own one because it is not available nor is it supported here in Brazil. The Nissan Leaf has had a fair number used as taxis and fleet cars. Nissan has begun advertising it too. BMW also just sent me an email saying the i3 is soon to be available here. Just as soon as one of them is available I almost certainly will buy one. I wish more countries would have the long-term view that Norway has.
     
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    An i3? I've pasted below a link to the video shown during the Olympics for the i8. Our local BMW dealer is allocated a few i8's from those who have placed advance orders. Supposedly they are now worth considerably more than their sticker price. I'd love to test-drive one!:

     
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    Norway is a small country, with a punishing terrain, and a very low population, and population density. It is also the richest per capita country in the world ;) As an outsider, it is very expensive. Given their oil based revenues; and nannyism; they can take a long view on anything ! Even with restraint, I still spent a small fortune per week on beer. I gather they do have very liberal (economically) benefits for its 5+ mil citizenry.
     
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    So would I! Test drives are not at all a sure thing here, especially for models in high demand. For a test drive of one of these it seems I'll need to go to one of the European markets where there id better supply, or even the US, possibly.
     
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    Alcohol is heavily taxed in the countries within the "land of the midnight sun". Simply put, those nations would like their citizens to not become alcoholics. The Swedes I've known also counter those long dark winter nights with a wicked sense of humor. ;)

    Contrast this to Russia and some other FSU countries, where the government would prefer their people to take solace in freely-available alcohol. :(
     
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    So apparently Telsa just upped their warranty to an 8 year unlimited miles warranty. I guess its not a bad buy afte rall.
     
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    Sales of EV's are going up, and there are now close to 50k EV's in Norway. Mostly Nissan Leaf and Tesla Model S, but VW e-Golf, VW e-Up!, BMW i3, Kia Soul EV and Renault Zoe are increasing in numbers.

    We've added to the stats by recycling both our fossil fuel cars, and we're now fully electric ;)
     
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    Finally I have solved the local charging issues in our Florida condominium, so even though we cannot go electric in Rio de a Janeiro yet, I will place my order for a Model S next week, I expect. I have not yet decided between the 85D and the P85D. The latter is ridiculous, I know, but...

    Have you opinions? Please give me advice.
     
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    Do you already have engine block warmer power plugs in parking lots? Can these be used to charge your car?

    (Re: engine block warmer power plugs in parking lots - in Fairbanks AK at the college campus they were standard since your car would freeze up otherwise. I expect that corporate employee parking would have it also.)
     
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    Congratulations - Can you explain a bit about what it took to get charging stations approved by your condominium?

    We live in a large historic (listed) townhome condo development and I really wonder how much work it be to get the board to allow charging stations to be installed in the parking lot at our dedicated space.
     
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    Actually it was easy, but consumed a bit of time. I found EverCharge through Tesla Owners Club which is a condominium ev power specialist. My condominium managed a number of properties that have EverCharge so the bias was already favorable. If you want more info just PM me and I can inundate you, or just Google EverCharge.
     
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    Can't have too much horsepower on 95 in South FL...
     
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    95 in South Florida is without question akin to a 24-hour everyday hillbilly NASCAR race :eek:
     
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    I placed my order this morning but for the S85D. Somehow 691 horsepower seemed a trifle excessive, and I probably don't need a car power setting of "insane" to prove that I am.:cool:
     
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    I owned some Tesla shares and luckily sold just after Elon Musk said it was overpriced a couple of years ago:
    http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/25/investing/tesla-netflix-momentum-stocks/
    Oddly I made enough on those overpriced share to fund the car I ordered this morning, albeit quite some time after the event in question.
    It seems to me there is a dramatic difference between "overpriced shares" and a business that exists only on subsidies and cheap money. No doubt cheap money and subsidies have helped but $100,000 cars don't sell or not based on a $7500 government rebate. In addition even the critics cannot argue that the Model S is anything other than a great car. The article quoted says there effectively is no innovation in the car. That is silly and weakens the legitimate points he could have made. Not too many serious observers think Tesla will fail as a business. the question is more how successful they can be. The jury is not really convened on that point. Until the Model 3 enters production I don't think we will know.

    Then the answers to he real questions will appear. Seems to me there are only a few of them:
    1. Is there really a major scale economy associated with the giant battery factory, enough to make electric cars cheaper than ICE? Nobody else has been successful at this so far, and many have tried.
    2. Will enough battery/energy storage improvements happen to eliminate range anxiety truthfully?
    3. Will charging infrastructure continue to ramp up in major worldwide markets enough to make a serious difference?
    4. Will BMW, Mercedes, VW, Ford, GM, Nissan and all the others make enough commitments to help make 2 and 3 happen?

    Cheap money and subsidies will not answer those questions with permanency.
     
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    I think Porsche will enter the market to compete with Tesla

    no doubt the article was thinly veiled attack on Musk :eek: I just thought it was funny :D
     
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    VW group has said they will have plugin hybrids for most models, as has Mercedes Benz. So far I have not read of any producer that is trying to compete with tesla directly will all-electric vehicles, but several are definitely preparing to do so. IMHO we ought to expect all the Germans, Fiat, PSA and Nissan/Renault, at a minimum within the next couple of years if the battery/storage equations continue to improve. The new compressed air storage from PSA looks likely to enter production too, which ought to provoke more power storage innovation, if nothing else. In the meantime Airbus will have two small electric aircraft on the flight training market within two years, which will foment even more battery innovation.

    No doubt this arena is becoming very, very interesting. The BMW i8 and Porsche Panamera Hybrid both show the performance benefits, as does the Tesla P85D.

    Isn't this fun?
     
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