SPG cash and points

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  1. cotter77
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    are the cash and points opportunities only hotel specific?
    and if so, when cash and points is not available for a specific hotel, is it likely not ever available for that same hotel?
     
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  2. gleff
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    Generally speaking, hotels offer cash and points awards when they don't expect to be close to sold out. Since hotels constantly evaluate their inventory, you may not see it available now but it may open up later closer to your date of stay if bookings fall below projection.

    Now, some hotels are more generous in offering cash and points than others. So there are definitely patterns. Are you looking at a particularly busy property during its high season?

    See, on a standard award night Starwood Preferred Guest pays extra to the hotel if occupancy exceeds 90%. But on a cash and points award they do not. So they don't want to displace a paying guest with a cash and points guest.
     
  3. cotter77
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    makes sense
    i just wanted to know if their are special hotels that just dont participate in cash and points
    i am looking at st regis or any other downtown rome hotels for sept 1-3 so still fairly peak season
     
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    According to the Cash & Points page at spg.com, the only hotels that don't participate are Category 7 properties worldwide and Category 1 & 2 properties in the Europe, Africa, and Middle East (EAME) division.

    The St. Regis Rome is Category 6, so they participate when they want to.

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    What is a good guideline for comparing using Cash & Points vs Points only.
    Here is some of the example:
    The Westin Princeville Ocean Resort Villas

    SPG Category 5
    Cash $265/night
    Points 12000
    Cash and Points 4800 +$90
    Which is the best way to book.
     
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    To me, this doesn't look like a particularly high rate for a Category 5 property, so I'd want to pay for at least one night to get a stay credit. Depending on available promos, I might want to pay for other nights too, although booking these now as cash and points would preserve the option (and all of the cash and points nights could be cancelled, although you might not be able to cancel just some of them and keep the remaining nights as cash and points). If a five night stay is involved (perhaps after paying for one for the stay credit), remember that you can pay in points for four nights and stay five, which is also a nice deal.
     
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    that last post just made me think of another question a bit OT:
    if i book 3 rooms for family vacation for sept 1-3 how many credits would that yield? just the 2 nights? or 6 nights?
    or 3 stays or one stay? ugh.
     
  8. Million Mile Secrets

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    In my experience, it doesn't hurt to call a hotel directly and ask them if they can make a Cash & Points reservation, if there is no availability online or by calling SPG. I've managed to make Cash & Points reservations that way, but I suspect that it varies dramatically by hotel.
     
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    While that's often a good indication that a property normally would not offer C&P, some properties even offer C&P awards during peak season. I've pointed out the St Regis Aspen as a good example with C&P awards available for most dates -- even in peak season when nightly cash prices can jump to $900+.

    Some properties are very generous in offering C&P awards. Some properties are very stingy about offering them. I'm regularly surprised by the availability at some properties.
     
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    Assuming that you book an eligible rate...and Cash & Points is not an eligible rate...it should be credited as one stay and two nights, but include the eligible revenue for the other two rooms.

    Best regards,

    William R. Sanders
    Social Media Specialist
    Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide

    spgchampion@starwoodhotels.com
     
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    If it is one to four nights than the math is easy: you are basically "buying" 7,200 points (12,000-4,800) for $90 or 1.25 cents/point - in my view this is a great deal for an SPG point. If you are staying for 5 nights then the 5 for 4 comes in and the math is 48,000 (4*12,000) - 24,000 (5*4,800) for $450 (5*$90) or 1.875 cents/point - still a good deal, but not as good.

    I started a new thread with a link to my SPG Points value spreadsheet.
     
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    Depends on the hotel and the depend/timing of when/where you are staying. Some of the cat 7 hotels dont allow you, or holidays like NYE/Christmas sometimes... I have had some good luck especially at the starwood properties. A couple of W's i was able to use this.... Nice feature when you dont want to cash out tons of points........
     
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    Hi, newbie here and first time booking an SPG property, looking for a little advice and this thread seems about as good as any I found. I am planning to stay for 4 nights in San Antonio this Oct. and have enough SPG points to do anything. No status other than a card carying SPG member. The Sheraton Gunter is in the River Walk area, and a Cat 3 hotel. Room rate is $205.00 night and C&P option is 2800+$45, other option is 7000 points. The cash and points option seems a no brainer to me but I still have a few questions and I am not the smartest tool in the shed, thus the post. How does the stay two nights at a Sheraton get third night free (SPG card benefit?) play into this? Should this enter the discussion? How should I book this to achieve max value? ...............Thanks in advance
     
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    SDFlyer,

    The "Stay 2 get 3rd free" is a promo that when offered requires payment (can't use points, there is a 5th night free when using points award). In your case C&P seems like the best option (5.7 cents/point vs. 2.9 with the points only award). Even if you can get 3 for 2 using the $205 rate, the C&P at 3.9 cents/point (~(3*205-4*45)/(4*2800)) is a good deal.
     
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    Thanks for the reply Sagy,

    That is the way I was looking at it as well. Just wanted to be sure there weren't any other opportunities I had not considered. Is 5.7 cpm a good redemption value for SPG? I think so..........thoughts??
     
  16. gleff
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    Yep, go for it :)
     
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    I'm in a similar situation with the value - but not 100% sure it's worth it. I need a 1 night stay at an airport hotel. BWI aLoft has a corporate rate of $119 or points for 4k points or C&P for 1600 points + $30 cash (valuating the 1600 points at 5.5 cents each) - so a good value basis - but at the same time, it's a savings of only $89 - so a good CPM, but not a huge financial loss...stay credit doesn't matter to me as I earn my points through SPG AX and have only redeemed a couple of times since 2002 (and the last time I redeemed was when BA had the match & 40k SPG = 100k BA, back when BA miles were worth something!). I think I'm just gonna save the $89 & use the points...
     
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    Total agreement, a check of US hotels next Sunday (July 24th) shows that only three hotels have C&P with higher CPP (two 5.97 and one 6.14). For week days you might find higher CPP since the room rate will be higher, regardless 5.7 is very very good (SPG will sell them to you for less, in case you want to replace the points you used)
     
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    SPG Cash and Points is usually a great deal if it is available
     

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