Spanish Airports are collecting tax increase on already ticketed itinerary

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  1. milchap
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    I am leaving MAD to LIS and paid the ticket including all taxes in April.

    The Spanish government has mandated a airport tax increase 1 Jul 12.

    Now the airline is advising me that the airport may collect the recent tax increase on my trip alrteady fully paid and ticketed.

    I feel that I fulfilled the contract and paid for all fees taxes and I should not be held to a tax on a ticket already issued,

    Am I right?
     
  2. uggboy
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    This news isn't good.
     
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  3. Sedosi

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    Well yeah but they need the money. I've got a feeling little things like "contracts" and "rule of law" are going to be flexible in the eyes of the technocrats running things in Europe right now.
     
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    Maybe you can cancel the ticket without penalty.
     
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    Thanks for sharing. Just another reason for tourists and anyone with expendable income to avoid Europe until they get their mess under control. They are all shooting themselves in the wallet.
     
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    Maybe you could let us know how it goes with a sit down protest.
    Offer love and peace, not war.
     
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  7. Wandering Aramean
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    Nope.

    When government taxes change the customer is liable. Depending on the instance the carriers have eaten the costs or passed them on. Last time it happened with decent publicity that I can recall was the most recent UK APD increase.
     
  8. GenevaFlyer
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    You mean like the US "Encourage tourists to come to visit" tax for applying for ESTA? All governments are the same.

    Cheers,

    GenevaFlyer
     
  9. RestlessLocationSyndrome
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    What the US is doing:
    • Requesting a fee for increased security for people coming into the US from countries that are part of the Visa Waiver Program
    • Authorizations lasts for 2 years
    • US Economy = not great but holding steady
    What Spain is doing:
    • Increasing taxes (although small but in some cases more than 100% as for Madrid and Barcelona) just to close budgetary gaps
    • Applied each time a passenger flies in/out of their airports
    • Spanish Economy = getting crushed (unemployment > 50% for those < 25) except from some pockets (like the tourism sector)
    Are these two the same thing? I'll let you decide.
     
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  10. zphelj

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    Thanks for the heads up. Looks like it depends on what airport you are flying out of with MAD being the most expensive and going from 6.95 to 14.44 euro.

    Seems like a goofy move to me but what do you do? I'm flying MAD-LHR-DFW in September and I've just decided if they ask I'm going to pay it and forget about it. Any other option will be more costly and painful I think. Moving on ..
     
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    Actually, the fee for ESTA comes from the Travel Promotion Act (ESTA was initially free), and the monies collected will be spent on:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travel_Promotion_Act_of_2009

    Cheers,

    GenevaFlyer
     
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    We Americans are good at shooting ourselves in the feet.
     
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    So what exactly is wrong with that? Cant afford to pay the few extra $ss.. cant afford to visit the US.:rolleyes:
     
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    well, doesn't mix well with this: "GBTA expects total international outbound trip volume to reach 6.8 million trips in 2012, only 0.4% growth over 2011"
     
  15. HaveMilesWillTravel
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    You think levying a fee/tax promotes tourism? In the US? How about fees for checked bags -- do they lead to MORE checked bags? ;)

    Thanks, 2nd amendment :)
     
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    I'm not a lawyer, so I'm asking, not stating: do you have a contract with the taxing authority or the airline?

    Which tax is being raised? My understanding of airport departure taxes, for example, is that technically you must pay them when leaving, but usually (these days) the airline collects and pays it as a courtesy, so you don't have to get cash and wait in another line. But, if the airline collected the old amount, you might need to pay the difference.

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    I'm adding stops in MAD in order to use IB flights or codes and save many hundreds in BA fuel "taxes." If I have to pay an extra 10 euro or whatever, I'm still way ahead.

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    By the way, it's not uncommon for international groups to prefer Canada for their North American meeting sites, not because of taxes (never once heard that brought up in the discussions) but rather visa and entrance hassles, including delays, unpredictable visa approvals for prominent professionals, fingerprinting on entrance, etc.

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  19. Wandering Aramean
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    Generally you have a contract with the airline. But that contract includes the caveat that any changes in government-mandated fees/taxes can be passed through to the customer.
     
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    And I assume the airlines don't have to pass the taxes on to the tax authorities until the actual taxable event happens?
     
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    That's generally my understanding.

    For retail merchants in NY I know that sales tax collected isn't submitted until later in the month, quarter or year, depending on volume. So the merchant actually gets to sit on the cash for a while.
     
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  22. LarryInNYC

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    No. You have no contract of any kind with the government of Spain. Presumably the airport tax is a use tax incurred at the time you use the airport. If it increases, and no provisions were made when the increase was enacted to exempt people who had paid the tax in advance, you would be liable for the additional charge.
     
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