Some 777 Routes Downgraded to 767 from 11/1-12/14: ORD-LHR, LHR-MIA, MIA-LAX

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  1. DestinationDavid
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    Synthesizing data from JonNYC on TB (LINK) and MAH4546 on TOBB (LINK), looks like this weekend AA will load equipment changes from 777 to 767 on the following routes, so check you itineraries:

    AA299 MIA-LAX
    AA1520 LAX-MIA

    AA56 MIA-LHR
    AA57 LHR-MIA

    AA98 ORD-LHR
    AA87 LHR-ORD

    *Have already asked that the thread be renamed to add "Some" to the front.
     
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    Yes, I was surprised I'm on a 767 LHR-ORD on my flights home at Christmas...fortunately, the exit row was open. :)
     
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    Really? And what happens to those who bought F on AA 1520?
     
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    If they bought F they'd still get the class of service, but cabins can vary and you aren't guaranteed a specific cabin as far as I know. So they'd receive it on the subbed 767 or a reroute if needed.
     
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    My question is.... what is AA doing with the 777s that they are removing... going to other routes....? for sale...?
     
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    It was said this is related to the massive pilot retirements in Sep/Oct: LINK.

    " September’s 111 retirements are about 10 times the monthly average over the past year, according to the Allied Pilots Association. Forty-five captains and four first officers who fly 777s were among the retirees, the union said in an e- mail to members."

    You gotta train replacements and backfill all the movement within the pilot ranks from furloughs, etc. Takes some time.
     
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    Wow...cant 767 captains also fly 777s...????? both are twin engines.... (???) same factory.... ????
     
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    I believe the 767/757 are a single rating to fly, but the 777 requires its own rating.
     
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    ah... what about A340 and A380.... same or different rating....?
     
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    No idea, I'm pretty AA-centric ;) and since AA doesn't fly Airbus (yet!), I don't have much information. Casually I've heard that Airbus aircraft are much easier to transition on than Boeing aircraft, which reduces training time and costs, one of the "pluses" over Boeing for Airbus.

    Whether the A380 and A340 are the same rating though? No idea.
     
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    I am in the process of scheduling LAX-LHR-BSL-AMS-FCO-LHR-LAX. Glad they have not/will not be dropping the Trip-7 for the LAX-LHR route...
     
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    doesnt AA operate a few A300s..????
     
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    They did starting in the 80s I believe, they were phased out over time.
     
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    ah.... I thought I had flown on a couple during my years as EXP.... (sigh) :oops:
     
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    Well I think the last one was technically retired in 2009. Give it a few years, you can be on an AA Airbus again it seems.
     
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    I never undestood how such a large US carrier gets away with not operating any 747's...... any idea if AA will adopt the 747-800 when it comes to market...???
     
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    They did fly 747s in the 70s.

    No 747s currently on order, and I don't think we will see it on the passenger side to be honest. Same reason AA said no to the A380 when asked about it: doesn't fit our flying patterns to use super-jumbos.

    Some said a A380 would make sense for AA on routes like JFK-LHR, but AA looks at frequencies, not capacity. Seems they'd rather run multiple 777s than less often with bigger planes.
     
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    Speaking of....

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    Folks may find this link interesting. AA had 34 A300s, 10 were owned the other 24 were leased. They were in service for 21 years and the last one left the fleet in August 2009.

    http://discussions.flightaware.com/post88964.html

    I was never a fan of these planes. They were maintenance nightmares, making like difficult for passengers and AA alike. They had the worst F cabin on any AA plane -- it was simply too dark and felt like you were in a cave, it had Star Trek like video screens, and the seats were wide yet not particularly comfortable.
     
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    yes, that's my understanding. With UA the 767/757 share training some manuals.
     
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    The FAA certifies the 757/767 as the same typeset whereas the 777 has it's own standalone certification so 757/767 Pilots do need to be trained for the 777.
     
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    It sounds crazy to have 777aircraft sitting idle in the meantime, waiting for more pilots to be trained. One wound think that the pilot retirements would be anticipated and that plans would have been already in place for the replacements.
     
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    Looks familiar!
    http://www.travelingbetter.com/forums/showpost.php?p=36015&postcount=4

    In fact, since the official, internal AA version looked like this:
    And I-- when transpiring the info for TB.com-- changed the "FLT"s to "AA299" etc., I'd say it's actually a *direct* verbatim copy 'n paste from travelingbetter.com.

    Since I don't own TravelingBetter.com and the owner does presumably get some minor change from TB.com, an actual link to the information you're quoting next time would be most appreciated and appropriate, thanks!
     
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    OT, but anyone know how they got the shuttles on top of the 747? Several massive cranes?

    Any idea how much runway they needed to take off and land?
     
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    AA's last 747 was transferred to a new owner in 1994.


    You'll find some of the answers on the Wikipedia page for the Shuttle Carrier Aircraft.
     

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