Sneak peek at the tunnel to Billy Bishop Airport

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  1. canucklehead
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    While BBIA is mostly PD used, it will prob get more views on the AC forum (not to mention AC does use the airport and both are considering expansion should they ever allow use of the CS1000 jets.

    The tunnel is scheduled for completion in early 2015 (before PanAm games?) and will make it a 5-10 minute walk for the distance of <250m vs the ferry ride that runs every 15 minutes.

    Now if there were an LRT stop that goes from Union Station to the airport, that would even be better and more fluid than the rush of taxi (which I must say are freakin' expensive!)

    http://www.blogto.com/city/2014/11/what_the_island_airport_tunnel_looks_like_right_now/
     
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    Guess no high-speed moving sidewalks.

    Note: there is the FREE Porter bus to/from Union station. (Yes Toronto taxis are absurdly expensive).

    There is also the 509 streetcar - things that now get called "LRT".
     
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    Thanks for this info. Rawr!
     
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    I have never seen the 509 called an LRT. :confused:
     
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    Like the "high-speed walkways" at YYZ T1? :eek:
     
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    They now generally seem to be working (only took a decade or so).
     
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    ..so now Toronto can no longer make the world class claim to having the world's most stationary high-speed walkways!
     
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    What will they do with the ferries ? Mothball ?
     
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    Umm still need them for the vehicles.
     
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    They have actually been working quite well in the last year or so.
     
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    They will float vehicles across on pontoons. :p
     
  12. The Lev
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    ...albeit not running at full speed.
     
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    It was yesterday on the inbound one but i think you are generally correct.
     
  14. canucklehead
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    the moving sidewalk will go at speeds of 2.3km/h (which is about 1/2 the avg human walking speed).
    As noted the ferry will operate as vehicle transport as well as supplies (maybe gravel for the runway, and gravol for the Islanders!:p ) For die hard ferry riders, they can still use this option once the walkway is completed.
     
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    If you walk up to Queens Quay there is a streetcar stop where you can board a tram that will take you to Union Station. And they've finished the new subway platforms there, so you walk off the streetcar (or new LRTs on the Spading line) and right through to the northbound Yonge subway platform. The Porter bus (actually the service is now shared with AC) no longer leaves from either the Royal York (on York St) or Union Station as those streets are all dug up. IIRC it now boards in front of the Citibank building on the southwest corner of Front St.

    Porter was to have a check-in and bus "depot" in the pedway between Union Station and the Convention Centre. The space was used for a while but abandoned after the city refused to allow Porter to load its buses in the alleyway behind the pedway (David Miller and crew), so the bus stop was moved to the side of the Royal York just in front of where the YYZ Airport Express loaded (and which is about to end its service).
     
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    Exactly. It was originally designed for 7 km/h (4.5 mph) but it's much less than that now.
     
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    SH, will the new trains to YYZ be toy trains made in Korea, like YVR ? Or did the Ontario government actually support it's taxpayers by having them made in Thunder Bay ?
     
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    When are they adding the new piers at YYZ ? Or have those plans been mothballed ?
     
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    The inbound one was running pretty fast on Sunday but I couldn't tell if it was going full tilt or not.
     
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    They do run considerably faster than "regular" ones, but not at original design speed. They kept breaking down when run full tilt.
     
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    Good, those trains on the Canada line are total junk , not able to meet the demands the commuters place on them. And actually Lev the train sets for UP Express are being built by Nippon Sharyo and Sumitomo at their new plant in Illinois. Nippon Sharyo is responsible for most Shinkansen bullet train cars. Hopefully they produce stations that can be adapted for increased usage/longer train sets.

    http://www.sumitomocorp.com/file/DMU.pdf
     
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    Indeed. There have been so many Schindler techs on site so many times that I have to believe Schindler has lost a whack of money on this project.
     
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    Actually, the links relate to the new LRT replacements for our streetcars which are now running on the Spadina line between Union Station and the Bloor/Danforth Spadina subway station. (Finally rode one the other evening, quite an improvement though fewer seats than on the current streetcars.) The trains for the YYZ Express are certainly larger than those running on the YVR Canada line. (I agree overall the SkyTrain system has severe limitations and was designed with too small a gauge and footprint, much like Montreal's Metro trains from which they were adapted.) As you note, they are indeed manufactured in Japan. Would these be derived from the Ueno-Narita Keisei trains, albeit diesel rather than electric?

    http://www.upexpress.com/en/

    BTW the station entrance/ticket office at Union Station is just about complete. It's located just outside the west end of the station in the Skywalk, almost where PD had its original downtown check-in office.
     
  25. The Lev
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    Oops - sloppy reading on my part - since this was the Billy Bishop thread I had assumed we were talking about streetcars. :oops:

    They look quite different from any Keisei line trains I've seen.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Pearson_Express
    Here are the Keisei trains:
    http://www.allaboutjapantrains.com/keisei.html
     

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