Singapore Airlines A380-800 return to LHR

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  1. Chimpy
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    From the Aviation Herald [Click link for more details]

    It looks like Qantas is not the only airline with A380-800 problems :(
     
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    They have the same engines as Qantas, but what was the "electrical fault"?
     
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    Exactly. They grounded all the SQ 380s when QF had the engine issue.

    Wondering what the issue was.
     
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    Heavy landings do not occur unless the pilot(s) are trying to get the plane on the ground ASAP. It was obviously not minor (they had to return) and rather major (did not take the time for a proper landing)....
     
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    But if it was emergency, get it on the ground, why go back to LHR 50 minutes later instead of right at AMS where the article said they basically were.
     
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    This is precisely the question to ask....in conjunction with the heavy landing....

    They burst 6 tires...but apparently flew back to Singapore 20 hours later?
    The electrical fault was also apparently fixed in this time....

    Something does not add up here.....
     
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    right. they could have taken hours for a fuel dump.
     
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    There was allegedly some work being done on an engine during the hours on the ground at LHR.
     
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    Is there a fuel dump function on the A380?
     
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    The didn't want Dutch mechanics working on a French plane.
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    The bigger and more complex a piece of equipment is, the more possible points of failure or interaction conflicts there are; the A380 is very big and very complex, I suspect it will take years to shake out the bugs.
     
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    Or being SQ, it would seem that FRA would be closer.

    Oh well. I don't yet get it.
     
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    All new aircraft have teething problems.....that too shall pass.
     
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    Fingers crossed that the LH A380s are all okay...can't wait to fly in F this summer because I got lucky with a *A award booking.
     
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    Some how I left the R off the airport code in the thread title :(
     
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    I sent a report asking for it to be added.
     
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    Thanks :)
     
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    Do you know where these places are? Why do you think it would be any faster to land at
    FRA (228 miles from AMS) than at LHR (231 miles from AMS)? And from FL350 overhead AMS, do you really think you could have landed there any faster than going to either of those ports?

    Coupled with that, nobody operates A380s at AMS. SQ does not operate A380s at FRA, where the A380 operation is someone else's. But SQ has an A380 operation at LHR, where many of the pax have homes or places to stay if the delay is lengthy or they decide not to travel after all.

    After you add all that together, a return to LHR might just have been a complete no-brainer.
     
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    Why yes. I do know where they are. But thanks for asking.
     
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    Even though nobody operates A380s from AMS, I believe AMS is A380 ready.
     
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    Add this to AMS being so close, something is odd here.

    Perhaps a seemingly simple error code got worse?
     
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    Runway 18R/36L is 3800m and 60m wide.
     
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    It may have the runways and taxiways. But does it have A380 ground equipment already sitting there? A380-trained ground staff? A380-current engineers? A380 spare parts (like 6 tyres, just sitting around waiting to be fitted to any A380 that happens to drop in and need half a dozen)? I would be surprised, given that no A380s operate from there.
    AMS was not "so close". From FL350 overhead AMS, it would probably have taken a minimum of about 20 minutes to land there, and then only if the aircraft had made an emergency descent of the kind needed after a depressurisation. If there was no warrant for that sort of flying, then it really wouldn't have taken much longer to get to LHR than to land at AMS. But LHR has all the handling advantages already mentioned, and would have been able to get the aircraft under way again much faster.
     
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    LHR certainly has the handling advantage, but that is a secondary concern.

    I agree it would take a little bit of time to get down from 35,000 feet to AMS. In a dire emergency, this would have been possible.

    I am struggling with reconciling the willingness to travel back to LHR with the willingness to land heavy (which is a risk). It could be, as I think I suggested, that perhaps the situation deteriorated during the return to LHR, which hastened their landing.
     
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    Regardless of that possible deterioration, recognizing that they almost certainly were well above MLW burst tyres should be expected. The MTOW for the A380 is 569,000 kg and MLW is 391,000 kg. Of course we do not know the actual takeoff weight, but it would have been quite heavy. The required inspections for an overweight landing do consume some time, as does replacing all those tyres and, probably, wheels too.
     
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    Isn't the plane involved, 9V-SKD, the one that had smoke in its lavatory a few months back? I've on this exact plane 4 times before :eek:, glad each time was an uneventful flight.
     
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