Sequestration-related delays

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  1. viguera
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    Holy crap that didn't take long...

    3-4 hour delays at LAX, 1-2 hour delays at NYC area airports due to "STAFFING"

    I'm sure glad I'm not going anywhere for another 3 weeks.
     
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    Flew into EWR early afternoon, no delay (on Commutair which is often delayed). Onward connection to BOS, delayed just under half hour, all in all not a bad trip through EWR today.
     
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    Yeah they're showing 3 hours now due to staffing. I wonder what that's going to look like come tomorrow, when people start moving around.
     
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    I arrived at LAX at about 9:30 Sunday night with no delays. Must have just missed the drama.
     
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    Am I correct in believing that the delays will primarily be with getting through TSA once at airport? (that arriving & transiting really are not going to be the issue at major airports)
     
  8. viguera
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    The way the FAA is playing with things, they're working hard to make sure the impact is as bad to the traveling public as possible. They don't have to, but that's politics for you.

    Almost all of the 47k FAA employees would have to be furloughed one day per two week pay period, and some even two days.
     
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    I believe staffing delays affect the TSA and ATC. They say the average delay would be around 50 minutes. The FAA has warned some delays could be as long as 3 and a half hours.
    The FAA also warned of ground stops to compensate for the 10 percent automatic sequestration staffing cuts. :mad:
     
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    Lets just hope a Senator or Rep has their flight delayed for hours so then can see that acting like children has real effects on people. (Not being political, both sides are so busy playing politics they forget their action/inaction has real world effects.)
     
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    How long before a plane is delayed 3+ hours on the tarmac and is then subject to the fines?
     
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    The words "flight canceled" are popping into my head for some reason.
     
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    That's exactly what's gonna happen... it's cheaper for the airline to cancel the flight and deal with the aftermath -- and probably find a way to blame the FAA -- than deal with this problem on the ground, or worse burn through fuel in a holding pattern then have to divert because of delays at the arrival end.
     
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    No reason for ALL of the staff cut days to be on the same day at each airport though. It is absurd that our government is acting the way it is. ::rolleyes::
     
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    It does pose an interesting delema though, the govt fines the airlines for the delay...yet the only reason for the delay is the govt.
     
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    The FAA has very wide berth when it comes to how to implement the budget cuts, they just seem to be choosing to make it very painful for the traveling public, which will either backfire terribly OR make a really good point.

    Most people don't know that the FAA could make the cuts elsewhere... (NextGen, commercial space transportation, etc). They could leave everyone alone and put their WAAS upgrade on hold, which would cut $3 billion out of their capital investment plan, but that wouldn't show people that they're "suffering" from budget cuts.
     
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    Exactly the problem. Budget cuts don't mean anyone has to suffer. It just means you have to make hard choices about what's more important.

    After my mom retired she complained to me that her financial condition had tightened, and I pointed out that her monthly rent was higher than my entire monthly income. Solution: move someplace cheaper even if it isn't as nice, which she finally did.
     
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    Nice to see that we're being used as pawns again for another political pissing match. :mad:
     
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    Solution: Get rid of TSA and keep ATC
     
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    Hoping the airlines' lawsuit is taken up quickly and that the courts decide in the airlines favor quickly, mostly so I don't have to deal with delays on Thursday en route to FTU.
     
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    All of the cuts aren't on the same day. Each individual facility is allowed to figure out the best way for that particular facility to roll out the furloughs. They have to get each employee done once every two weeks. LAX was already understaffed before any of this so that's why their delays are so high and immediate. Not speaking for them but I can only ASSUME that larger facilities will furlough as many controllers as they can on weekends and midnight shifts because that's when their traffic volume is lowest. (Which really sucks because we get paid more to work Sunday so that's an even larger pay cut on top of the 10% for the furloughs.) So the weekend delays could get pretty high.

    That being said, I do agree that it's absurd that our elected officials on both sides of the aisle can't come to a compromise on these budget issues. I believe once the companies that support them start losing money and complaining they'll feel the heat to get it done.
     
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    Yup. TANSTAAFL.
     
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    The only LA area airports with delays last night were ONT and LAX. It seems likely that there were excessive persons taken off the schedule at LAX last night. 3 hours arrival delays are ridiculous and can't be tolerated here every day.
     
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    LAX just popped up again with 2 hours due to staffing.

    There's no winning though, even during late nights you'll have problems because of international flights arriving.
     
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    huh?:confused:
     

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