Russia's flag carrier Aeroflot wants to quit SkyTeam

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  1. sobore
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    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/afp/130628/russias-flag-carrier-aeroflot-wants-quit-skyteam

    Russia's largest airline Aeroflot may opt out of the global SkyTeam alliance and join a different one due to disagreements with its code-sharing partners, the Kommersant daily reported Friday citing industry sources.

    Aeroflot is reportedly unhappy with being tied into expensive prices set with its SkyTeam alliance partner Delta for flights to the United States, one source close to company management told the newspaper.

    Competitors are offering fares considerably lower on flights with stopovers.
    Aeroflot is also unhappy with the frequent flyer miles policies of SkyTeam, which it sees as "unprofitable", the source told the newspaper.

    Read More: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/afp/130628/russias-flag-carrier-aeroflot-wants-quit-skyteam
     
  2. uggboy
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    It's important to stay competitive and when SkyTeam doesn't deliver, maybe another alliance will. Interesting grievance about pricing with partner Delta and of course the profitability of frequent flyer miles, but as always, the other side isn't always greener, but could offer nevertheless the desired effect an airline is looking for, as in this case Aeroflot.
     
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    The original Russian-language article states that Aeroflot is unhappy with fares Delta set for connecting flights from JFK to other US destinations, making SU not competitive with *A carriers. Apparently, some SU/DL connections are almost twice as expensive as those on LH/UA. The most likely scenario is to leave the alliance and just have bilateral relationships going forward, but *A is not out of the question.

    They also state that the decision will be based on political (as opposed to pure business) considerations.
     
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    Good move, but I'd rather them join One World. :cool:
     
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    SkyTeam is such a lame alliance, best possible proof is that it was the only relevant Alliance that Aerolineas could manage to get into.....

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Not to mention the crap vodka now served in the DL lounges which most Russians would be ashamed of.
     
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    This is so true--I have a Russian co-worker who complains about the prices of flying Aeroflot when going to St. Petersburg....so she flies LH instead via FRA/MUC
     
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    I will die and go to heaven, if SU joins the Star Alliance.
     
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    Don't see that happening, with S7 in Oneworld already.
     
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    To be honest I'm not sure DL takes SkyTeam seriously if you look at their new earnings chart. It seems DL mostly wants to go it alone.

    I also wonder(hope) what SU apparently says about the frequent flyer miles is referring to the bad value for the traveller. A bad FF-program drives customers away...
     
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    The article was pretty clear that their beef is with reimbursement rates w.r.t. award travel. SU allegedly has to pay higher tariffs than it gets from SkyTeam partners. Perhaps they are forced to charge SU FF members higher redemption rates to compensate, making the program less attractive. I have no idea how good or bad SU FF program is though.
     
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    To put this in to perspective, I recently purchased 2 business class tickets (fare class Z) on Aeroflot, because they were non stop flights and convenient. To my dismay, but not to my surprise, this earns 0% miles on Delta Skypesos %0 EQM. Ditto for Flying Blue as well. I can understand awarding 0% miles to low ball economy class tickets, but for Business class fares?

    The nerve. DL(VS)+ AF basically are an alliance of their own and the rest are little puppets. SU and KE should revolt and leave. The whole purpose of an alliance is reward and recognize customers from another carrier, in this case SU gets no reward from DL/AF for me bringing business over to SU.

    SU should retaliate and offer 0% miles on AF/ DL business class fares on its Bonus program.

    What a joke.

    By the way, I have yet to see one Star Alliance carrier that does not reward a member from buying a business class ticket from another member carrier.


    SU also has a quality service / product in Business, especially on the A330/77W, IMHO
     
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    Now KE numbered flights earn NO MQMs for DL's FF program.

    In *A there have been reports of new partners and changed fare classes not earning miles, even in business class, before the new airline/fare class is added to the charts for earning miles. This seems to be a transitory problem that lasts for many months until the charts are finally updated.
     
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    My strategy has been basically to deposit any Skyteam flying into Alaska Airlines.
    The flagship carriers of Skyteam (i.e Delta and Air France/KLM) both have the most worthless frequent flyer programs on the planet.

    Unfortunately, SU is not a AS partner..... :mad: so that strategy works fine AF/KL/DL
     
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    Your experience is different than mine. I took my family of four to Paris last February, the Persian Gulf over Christmas and to Australia this coming Christmas. All using delta miles. All in business class at low-miles availability.

    DL miles are easy to generate, and in my experience, if you know how to work the system a bit, pretty darned good to redeem for groups of 4 in business class.
     
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    How things change :) Way back when there were rumors of SU joining ST, I used to hear many bemoan the quality of service issues, and rudeness experienced by veterans who traveled to SVO. Same was said of KE. Sometimes perceptions change over the course of years. :)
     
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    In case you haven't seen:

    Aeroflot CEO plays down reports it may quit airline alliance

    MANCHESTER, England (Reuters) - The three main global airline alliances face common problems and should work together to try to resolve them, the chief executive of Russia's Aeroflot (AFLT.ME) said on Monday.

    Vitaly Saveliev distanced himself from reports that Aeroflot planned to quit the SkyTeam alliance of 19 global airlines.
    ...
    More here: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/aeroflot-ceo-plays-down-reports-143401638.html.
     
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    My experience has been the opposite at least with UA MP. Revenue J and F flying has credited to UA MP at historic high rates e.g. my NH F sector credited at 300% RDMs to UA. UA even admitted during the integration they had overlooked CO OP's generous policy of partner crediting in paid biz or first but - absolutely unlike the DL weasels - they acknowledged this and published a correction policy. All my retro-claims (not all of which were RGN sectors) were dealt with promptly and efficiently.
     
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    I don't feel safe on aeroflot.
     
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    mrx900, thanks for your posting! BTW, almost all of my friends in Europe will fly on LH whenever they can do so, even if they are "strongly encouraged" to fly another/their own countries airline! ;)
     
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    There might be something to that. A few years ago, a colleague (government traveler) was booked to catch a connecting flight in Moscow from outside of Russia to get back to the US. He was not intending leave the Moscow airport, or otherwise to set foot in Russia.
    He was told by Russian authorities that he could not board his connecting flight unless he had a valid Russian visa stamp in his passport, that he wasn't able to then buy at the airport (I'm unsure what time of day this occurred). He was then escorted to an off-airport hotel for an overnight stay. The next morning, he was allowed onto a flight out of Russia, after paying a hefty visa fee and also for his hotel stay.
    To this day, if you remind him of this event, you can watch steam come out of his ears! :eek:

    Here's a link for the current Russia visa fees for the US:
    http://www.russianembassy.org/page/visa-processing-fees
     
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    But what does that have to do with Aeroflot safety?

    While I don't know anything about Russian transit Visa requirements, try transiting a US airport with a Russian passport. Need a visa to go to your connecting flight.
     
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    The same applies to USA, even for through flights with the same flight number and aircraft - you need a visa (esta if eligible).
     
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