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Discussion in 'JAL | Mileage Bank' started by JALPak, Mar 11, 2013.
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"For passengers, the bodies of the new models won't be significantly stretched than today's 777 jets. Rather Boeing is reshaping the cabin walls and overhead bins to more-comfortably accommodate ten-abreast economy class seating, up from nine-abreast when the jet was first launched in 1995."
He-he...does that mean the airlines will try to squeeze 11 seats across in Economy?
probably NOT JAL as they are going for wider seats in their latest cabin revamp
Yes, nine abreast in the seats and two WA-style
That's the line that I read twice and was like Woah!
Boeing makes an offer to airlines to be launch customers of the 777 saying "hey, it can't be any worse than the 787 right?"
well it's kind of different. 787 is a completely new line of products while 777X is based on the existing one, more similiar to 747-8
I kid, I kid! Purely a joke.
What kind of batteries will the 777X use?
I can understand the need to have Japanese carriers considering the amount of components may be made in Japan.... but, doesnt Boeing want to sell its planes to the US Carriers....??? I know that most US carriers are not the best credit risks, but....
what am I missing...?
also to keep its dominance in japan so it doesn't lose 2 of its most loyal customers
The very long range fairly high capacity versions (A350-1000, B777X) are mostly attractive to Asian and Middle Eastern carriers plus the Europeans with long-haul high capacity networks that need something smaller than the A380 or B748. The US carriers mostly are not strongly positioned in that space so their demand has been for slightly smaller aircraft such as the existing B777 variants. Frankly, IMHO (very H) there will probably be UA, DL and AA orders in this class within the next year or so, if not sooner. All three will have a Boeing bias, probably, but Airbus does have an equity position in the new AA, so they might go with the A350-1000 which should outperform the B777X since it is all-new rather than an upgrade of the B777. 'should' and 'will' are different things, of course. Either way we can be assured that the B777X will NOT be a dog like the B748 is since the fundamentals differ. The B748 is an attempt at a quickie upgrade of a 50 year old airframe, as is the B737MAX, for that matter. The B777 entered service only in 1995, was FBW, and is perfectly suited for major upgrade. I am confident it will be a big success.
Good point..... how has Boeing done with sales of its 744-800 in Japan....?
Its tough to read that the 748 is a dog.... but this is more a nostalgic thing since the old Jumbo was the Queen of the Skies for soooo long. Your points are of course very valid, and no matter how well liked the 747 still may be, it is indeed way past its prime. I need to check out the 777X website, is it getting longer...?
while they are loyal, they don't just buy things from Boeing because it was offered. JL and NH don't need 747-8...
I first flew a B747 in 1972, JFK-LHR and fell in love. I flew on the inaugural IranAir flight JFK-THR (now IKA) and actually signed loan agreements for the IranAir purchase. Now they are the only commercial operator left IIRC. I also flew PA on many routes including the inaugural Dhahran-New York (Saudia JV) taht was the longest flight in the world at that time.
The 747 features in many of my best travel experiences from Singapore Airlines slumberette #1 (a tiny bedroom on the upper deck), PanAm's upper deck dining room and countless others.
Like me, though, the B747 is obsolete. The B748 was a desperate effort to recover from Boeing's decision to quit the cooperation with Airbus taht ended out with the A380. Luckily for LH and others, Boeing is nearly giving them away, so they'll continue to place a few. I'd still enjoy flying in one.
But Boeing does have whitetails so spectacular deals can be had. LH did not buy it because they "needed" it, after all.
LH operated 380s while none of NH and JL operates jumbo jets anymore. When I said they don't need 747-8, I meant their strategies have changed and don't need plane of that size anymore, not just the specific plane model
Yes, I understood. Were Boeing to be aggressive enough might one or the other modify strategy slightly, enough to take a few of them?
doubt it esp will LCCs invading japan now
Am I correct in saying that none of the US Airlines has signed up for the 748....?
None of the US airlines signed up for the passenger version.
Bye the way, what does conditional offer mean? and as launch customer Boeing is saying that you three have first dibs ... but what is the conditional part?