Route Expansion

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  1. Rob
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    Nothing too dramatic, except the SFO-CDG is interesting given the IAH-CDG cancellation. SFO-TPE has existed off and on over the years. TPE traffic and/or freight must be improving again. Wonder if they'll keep NRT-TPE.

    Much of it sounds like the kind of network optimization that the merger was expected to bring, likely analyzing traffic and fare data to find profitable adjustments. The absence of a single new IAH route is deafening, too
     
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    I, for one, am thrilled about SFO-CDG.
     
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    Yes, it is.

    No, it isn't. ;)

    EWR and CLE also didn't get any new routes this time. They're being de-hubbed, too, right?? :oops:
     
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    Great expansion at SFO. SAS is also starting SFO-CPH next year, which increases the number of Star seats to Europe significantly
     
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    Good onward connections at CPH, not so much at CDG which is also kind of a sucky airport. But it could be used for a 23-hour stopover if headed to ZRH or Germany

    It appears to be operated by one of the reconfigured pmUA 763 ghettobirds, now C/Y+/Y- (no Global First)
     
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    They explicitly mentioned the EWR-ITS and EWR-EZE routes as recent additions, so showing ERW some love. In any event, isn't EWR slot-constrained, so all they can do is upgauge or reallocate slots?
     
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    Well, you know far more about the airline industry than I do, but I would be very surprised if CLE isn't de-hubbed eventually.
     
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    I, for one, welcome the return of SFO-TPE.

    Starting next year, there will be two *A options for TPE nonstop -- UA and BR!
     
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    Didn't EWR pickup non-stop EZE service from the old IAD-EZE route?
     
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    Yeah, and they added IST this month, too. But they didn't get anything in THIS announcement so it is clear that the company is shunning them.

    It is a joke, though there are plenty who seem to actually be seriously suggesting that there is spite involved in these sorts of decisions.

    And, to be fair, I do expect that CLE will teeter as a hub for a while, but not outright lose anything, at least for 2-3 years.
     
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    Well, the new United management has already proven that they are capable of doing things out of spite already, so who knows (just look at what they're saying down in Houston) ;)
     
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    Do you believe this was a spite move?

    Or are you just trolling around??
     
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    As an IAH traveller I don't think there was spite involved, but I also don't think it was coincidental that no new service was added. After all, UA just announced service CUTS to IAH (using the WN/City Council decision as a foil) so I'm not surprised they're not looking to expand right now.
     
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    He he.. No, I'm quite sure they have a lot more data than you and I have and that this was a business decision, but I'm sure the folks at IAH are reading more in to it as the SFO-CDG came just days after IAH-CDG was axed.

    What I was referring to was United's recent moves in Houston which upsets a lot of folks down there for obvious reasons. That seems like a spite move to me as Southwest won't start operations down there for years.
     
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    If you actually believe that those moves were based on the WN/Hobby/City Council actions then I'd say you're just as delusional as all the folks in Houston. Those moves were coming anyways. UA has latched on to the Hobby/WN thing as a reason/excuse for PR purposes but it is hard to believe that they'd keep running routes which have been money-losing for years just for fun.
     
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    I'm pretty sure they saw that AF was making money hand over fist with the A380 on SFO-CDG and wanted a piece of that action.
     
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    The move to eliminate IAH-CDG isn't spite, but their link of it to the HOU issue is.
     
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    I for one love more Europe non-stops from SFO.
     
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    No, I said UA used that decision as a foil. I don't think "the decision" had anything to do with it.
     
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    And the UA EZE desk is still mourning the loss of IAD - at least as of yesterday morning ;). Both agents spoke lovingly about NoVA and how they missed it. Not much love for EWR.

    Cheers -

     
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    Not all of us in Houston are delusional about United's cuts/changes. Many of us understood they were eliminating unprofitable routes.
     
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    Although we do admit there are a LOT of people in Houston who are very sore in the britches over this. Mostly the ones who work for newspapers, City Government or the Tourism and Convention Board.

    i.e. The one's with the bullhorns.
     
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    Didn't SFO/CDG use to be one of United's worst performing routes? With planes always full, but supposedly low yield (low premium traffic, many awards upgrades?)

    I'd be very curious to understand how this has changed. Sure, the CO aircraft will not feature first class, but doesn't make much of a difference, especially on a 763 which would have had only 5 seats anyway.

    Is it the CO merger that makes this route palatable again? If so, why?

    The fact that services have been cut in CDG? (No more IFL, no more Arrivals) Probably hardly makes a dent.

    New corporate contracts?

    United has been historically weak at marketing in France. They're hardly known at all over there, and the majority of folks on UA flights are americans (according to my observations, at least.) Will this change?

    Note that I'm delighted with the change, but extremely curious too.
     
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    It's actually a sUA aircraft. CO didn't have any 763's. It's a UA 763 that had been in the dense 2-class configuration (aka ghetto bird) and was (is being) refitted into international C/Y+/Y. I would imagine that the economics of that configuration are more favorable than the 3-class configuration UA used to fly (relatively fewer premium seats, more leisure seats). AF is flying an A380, so there must be some demand. Maybe they picked up some corporate contracts in the Bay area that were contingent on the route.
     
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    When you talk to the United folks about MegaDo stuff, do they ever ask you about posts like this? ;)
     

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