Robbery by some Canadian airport screeners

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  1. charlilo
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    Because they get away with it more than they get caught.
     
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    I always keep my bills in my pocket when going through screening. Not because I'm wise, but because I don't have a real wallet: only a very small one, the right size to hold credit cards and ID's only.
     
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    In the US, when going through those full body scanners, I've been allowed to hold my paper currency in my hand (upon my request).
     
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    I actually submitted a complaint to CATSA a few months back about how long I was being separated from my belongings. At YEG my bags were being crammed through the machine while I was having to wait over 5 minutes to cross over due to the fact the only open line (10:30pm) required almost every other person to be wanded even if they didn't alarm. The night I filed the complaint it was at the point where my bags were frighteningly close to being pushed off the end of the tables while I was still waiting to be screened. I also complained that I was told to put all my money, passport, etc in the tray but when I complained about the length of separation to the supervisor they said "Oh you should know you can carry that with you".

    In 3-4 days I got a call from CATSA offices in YUL and they talked to me about my concerned and said they would start implementing changes so that screeners and supervisors would limit the separation time. The next few weeks in YEG things were better, but it's back to the same thing if there's a line of people being screened. It's too easy for the inbound tray pusher to cram stuff through faster than people get screened so that his/her cohort on the outbound side can have their way with your valuables.
     
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    I never take my bills out of my pocket, change only.

    The article to me is most disappointing to read because there was allegedly no oversight of these scamming scanners.
     
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    I am frequently forced to put my passport in the tray at YUL, though I ask to keep it in my hand, which makes me feel especially nervous.
     
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    I think it is said that surveillance cameras rolled above him when he was stealing. But I agree it is not enough, and we would like more on this.
     
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    Yes, the CC cameras were rolling but obviously nothing was done and that's what I meant about no oversight. There should be someone watching the scanners for the few bad apples in the same way casinos monitor staff as much as patrons with their "eye in the sky".
     
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    Do you fly through the US often? You're generally not allowed to leave paper currency in your pocket for the fully body scans here.
     
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    Personnally, I try to avoid US since 2010 when I had a bad experience and been yelled at because of a green apple forgotten in my bag (it was at the US customs in YUL). BTW is there any list of airports with full body scans?
     
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    Most (almost all) large US airports have the scanners...but usually only at certain checkpoints/terminals.

    On the fruit, while US-CBP isn't particularly friendly, they're probably not supposed to be. Try bringing fruit into most countries and you'll likely get a similar response. I'm sure you were not intending to do any harm with your apple...but agri-risk is a big deal in most places.

    As an example, in AKL, they (NZ Customs) typically clean your golf clubs and shoes on arrival for you to prevent anything from getting in. Plus, their officers do a much better job than they do at my club!
     
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    Yes, I know about my mistake (the apple came from Washington, but could have been contaminated meanwhile). The yelling was scaring, but the real reason for avoiding US airports is a note about my sin that shows up when they screen my passport in the US now. Seems off-topic, but I wanted to explain why I can keep my bills in my pocket most of the time: I do not go through the US. And elsewhere, maybe I've only been lucky.
     
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    Enough to apply for a Nexus card. :D 3-5 times a year on average and never had it be an issue in the past decade.
     
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    FWIW, I keep any non metals (pen, wallet, passport) in my pockets when going through security. I've never had a problem with them alarming the wtmd. If I have to opt-out, I put all of that stuff inside a locked part of my bag.

    Here's a list of world airports with the scanners:


    Complete List of US & Domestic Airports with Body Scanners
     
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    Thanks FriendlySkies (nice to see you).
     
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    In NZ and Australia these folks are paid real wages for a real job. It's the attitude towards work and jobs that creates a very different sense of professionalism in employees like security workers. In NAmerica these are treated as McJobs, low-wage, low-skilled. It's even worse in the US, but like in everything you'll find a range of capable, competent workers, among a majority of 9to5ers. Let's face it, none of us would want to do this job, but if these positions did not exist, our unemployment rare would be up a percentage point or two. And in the US, the alternative for most TSA line staff is joining the military! The majority have no skills, mediocre eduction, and few other opportunities. This is really today's equivalent of Roosevelt's Civilian Conservation Corps. Again, I have come across a number of mature, intelligent, capable TSA folks, but they're in the minority...often Vets or middle aged workers who cannot find other work because of the the recession and discrimination against most workers over 50.
     
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    No matter where FBS machines are used, one must remove everything from pockets (even facial tissues) as well as watches, chains...

    Use is random, though more heavily applied at BOS and the terminal AC uses at LAS. Stupidly applied at others where the priority security line is channeled through these machines, while others go through the magnetometers (SEA)!
     
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    there can be exceptions made. i carry sometimes between 5-8,000US$ in cash on some trips to China for specific business reasons. i have made it clear that that is not leaving my sight and if they want to inspect it in a separate room in front of me, they can do so. usually, allowed to carry through the metal detector and that is it. i generally do not trust some person making just over minimum wage. why should I? i do not trust the person in the office next to me either.
     
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