Pre clearance stupidity at YYZ

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    I was just about to post this lack of common sense.
    Don't they have protocols to deal with these incidents ?
     
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    Immigration officials ... pre-clearance stupidity ... is anyone really surprised? :confused:
     
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    Evidently not. I can understand the logic of people who were not taking another flight having to clear Canadian customs and immigration, but not those who were rebooked. You've got to hope there were no pax with unusual visas.
     
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    I had this happen to me once, with a flight to Detroit that returned to the gate for a delay. The delay completely negated the purpose of my trip.

    Most people stayed on the plane. I just returned through Canadian Border Security as if I'd landed and there was no issue.

    Sounds like those that chose to continue flying on should have just been escorted back to an airside lounge while they sorted out the flight changes.
     
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    :eek: oy!
     
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    YYZ at its finest.
     
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    Nothing to do with YYZ and everything to do with CBP.

    Or do you not have preclearance at YEG?
     
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    Wonder what happened with Duty Free purchases? :eek:
     
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  10. As usual no one declared them:D
     
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    What would happen if anyone was visiting Canada on a single visa if they were from out of the country?

    I am not familiar with pre-clearence, etc.
     
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  12. I think this was a one of and both sides disagreed but understood the situation. They are bureaucrats but not that stupid. I'm sure anyone with a one time visa would have had the original BP and the US computers would have picked up the the fact they were cleared a couple of hours earlier.
     
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    "US computers would have picked up the the fact they were cleared a couple of hours earlier"

    ah, well, we know that US computers pick up darned near everything, but on the other hand, nobody will read those computers' reports of findings for at least another decade.

    none of which alters the saddening observation that the preclearance process at YYZ is seriously, severely, staggeringly, superlatively borked.
     
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    But NSA monitoring of MP monitoring of MilePoint (and everything else) probably means that they'll find out now ...
     
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    Sure, they're watching -- otherwise, why would there be so darned many cameras everywhere? I make it a point to blow kisses towards the cameras when I'm standing in a queue waiting for officious officialdom. Might as well make a decent show of it, after all!

    On a more serious note, I do still recall being taught in school, lo these many decades ago, that the Soviet Union was a bad place to live because people had to carry passports in order to travel within their own country, and that furthermore they were being spied-upon by an all-controlling central government. Now being a great-grandmother, I wonder whether such things are even taught in history classes any more?

    It continues to sadden me to see people presenting passports to board a flight from YEG to YYC. What sorrowful place have we come to, here?

    (apologies for my injection of a serious note into an otherwise-rollicking conversation -- this stuff matters, even as the societal basis for comparison fades away as we age)
     
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    I make my own little personal protest every time I fly, requesting a manual pat-down each time instead of submitting to the Big Brother nudie-scanner ...
     
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    I have to say PreCheck (when available) is a wonder to go through knowing I don't have to do all the stupid stuff they call security!
     
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  19. That seems to be a dumb move in my humble opinion because you won't change uncle Sam's behaviour
     
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    Only for US-domestic flights. I don't do many of those.
     
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    I just wish that we had something like that, such as would allow us to not be held up by the barbed-wire exit checkpoints along the northern Interstates. I hate hitting that chicane that seems to have become a permanent fixture across northbound I-5 at Blaine. A true time-waster that thing is! :(
     
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    "Select" international itineraries. Only on US-based airlines, it appears. :rolleyes:

    On top of that, you need to leave from an airport/terminal that has a pre-check security lane. EWR Terminal A doesn't even have boarding pass scanners! (But nudie scan, yessirree bob, gotta have that ...)
     
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    That's because Albertans don't have drivers' licenses.
     
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    :splutters:

    Working in a corner of British Columbia where the people think they're part of Alberta, I can assure you that no drivers' licences are needed, provided that one recalls Rule One: "the largest vehicle has the right-of-way".

    There is a corollary Rule Two, as applied in connections at YYZ: "the largest suitcase comes off the belt first".

    Rule Three of course states: "Star Alliance priority tags mark suitcases which should be left for last".

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    Bringing the conversation back to YYZ connections, now. On my most recent trip through there, I had a surreal argument with the door dragon (the young lady whose job seems to be to prevent entry into the connections area) who was convinced that Alberta (from whence I had just come) was part of America and therefore not a valid origin point.

    I continue to be mind-boggled at how screwed-up the connections process is at YYZ. My AIF dollars, hard at work. :/
     
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