Pilots approve new contract

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  1. Wandering Aramean
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    http://ir.unitedcontinentalholdings...3680&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1767554&highlight=

    Great news in moving forward with the integration of the two halves.
     
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    Praises be to the dear respected Supreme Leader for this wonderful news!
     
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    He told me that he doesn't plan to do that. He's within a couple of years of retirement, and doesn't think it's worth getting rated on the new type. I don't know if he might be able to fly sCO 764's at some point, if those are the same type as sUA 763's
     
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    So what's left to happen here? Have all the labor groups agreed in single contracts? Is there anything stopping United from finally merging the operations of the two subsidiaries? It was my impression that the pilots were the last major hurdle.
     
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    767 and 757 are a complete type rating, so yes, he can fly any sUA or sCO bird.
     
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    Fantastic! It'll be interesting to see if this helps on-time numbers as they can cross-fleet folks easier to deal with irrops.
     
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    Don't get too excited yet. They stil have to work on seniority lists and integration. And the pilots are the only joint contract; FAs and below wing are still pending.

    It is a big step but there are many more steps to be taken.
     
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    Oh darn. It'd be so cool to have him at the helm. I know his business card says he's a 767 Captain.
     
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    Above the Wing still needs a contract.
     
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    I wonder what the agreement is on the scope clause on the E jets over 50 seats?
     
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    Word from a trusted colleague who is a pilot (formerlyCO now UA) is that 70% of the back pay Owed to them was negotiated away by the union to get the new contract inked

    Again JS comes home a hero while many of those who keep us in the air are squeezed excessively
     
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    What back pay was "owed" and based on what??
     
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    I'm wondering the same thing. Where is the "back pay," and to whom is it owed?
     
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    My guess is that it is a reference to getting back up to "par" from the pay cuts the UA pilots took when the previous iteration filed Ch11 and cut salaries. I'm not so sure I buy that as back pay owed to them and not just some pilots disillusioned but that's my guess.
     
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    If anyone counts that as "back pay owed" they're delusional (if it does refer to that).
     
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    "Back pay" or "retro pay" refers to the delta between actual pay and hypothetical pay if the new contract rates went into effect at the same time the previous contract became amendable. Under the Railway Labor Act (applicable to airline labor groups), contracts do not expire, they simply become amendable at a certain date but remain in force until a new agreement is reached. This is to prevent labor groups from walking off the job every time a contract is up. Indeed, there is a very lengthy dispute resolution process under the RLA, including Presidential intervention, before a workgroup may legally resort to self-help.

    So, in this case, you had United pilots working under a bankruptcy-era contract and Continental pilots with a concessionary deal, both in force long after their respective amendable dates. A new pilot agreement would undoubtedly cost the company a lot of money, since both UA and CO contracts were below industry standard. Retro pay simply works as a tool to encourage management's good faith in negotiations, as it mitigates the ability of the company to effectively extend contracts longer than their amendable dates by virtue of the RLA's (arguably antiquated) protections.
     

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