Paranoia on the rise: passengers profiled by other passengers ?

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  1. anileze

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ist-flight-delay_us_572e41e6e4b016f3789617f7

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...rist-flight-delay_us_572e41e6e4b016f3789617f7

    Scary ! Imagine, if I ignored a strange woman next seat, and doodled on my iPad, I'd be ideal candidate for bias profiling !

    Balding wild hairs !
    Introverted behavior!
    Asian!

    Confirmation bias theories at play ? Why now ?

    Comments ?
     
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  2. HaveMilesWillTravel
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    It's about as ridiculous as it gets.
     
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  3. estnet
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    What's really scary (amongst other things) is that the "general public" can't recognize mathematical symbols!
     
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    There should be a consequence for false accusation. I
    believe that the right to confront one's accuser is guaranteed
    at least in the US. Of course nobody is going to stand up for
    this particular right because of the current (yes, paranoid)
    atmosphere. So "if you see something say something"
    becomes "if you imagine something say something," and
    therein trouble lies.
     
  5. anileze

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    The story has gone viral, sort of !

    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/pen...identified-him-as-a-terrorist-for-doing-math/

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/3701...ors-airplane-math-didnt-equal-airplane-threat

    What next ? now, imagine carrying a scientific journal in the plane will be deemed incendiary material - a tool to spread scientific ideas like climate change !

    While the guy with orange hairs may not have caused this incident, there are elements who would be encouraged to claim "Nature" or "Scientific American" to be dangerous and hazardous-to-community publication.
     
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    Simple misunderstanding. She obviously understood people were to be on the alert for incidents of math instruction.
     
  7. newbluesea
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    The idiot woman aside ..a major portion of the blame has to go to the airlines.
    Couldn't the presumably " smarter" pilots and crew and then the gate personnel figure this out very quickly?

    Too often we hear about airlines kicking people off flights because the other passengers or crew members " don't feel comfortable" flying with the person involved. They just seem much too happy to accede to the "mob rules" mentality :mad:

    Sadly we have become a nation with much more than its fair share of semi-literates and paranoid wimps.

    The really scary thing is that I can only see this getting much worse.:rolleyes:
     
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  8. satman40

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    You should try to evict a non paying tenant,

    10 day notice,
    30 days to get a court date,

    The court gives them another 60 to get out, total 109 days free rent, and you can not shut the utilities off,

    Then 60 days later you get a damage hearing, unless the get a delay,,no problem., and they get year to pay you, for any damages plus their back rent.,

    Passenger and people have rights, and businesses need to respect them...

    PC Society, Airline need to CYA..
     
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    History repeats itself. The Vatican used to maintain an index of prohibited books, that ought not be read by Church-members:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_Librorum_Prohibitorum

    So, now, we know that doodling mathematical formulae could upset someone (and cause us to risk being ejected from our flight); it's been earlier established that books containing Arabic writings are scary.

    What's next, slide-rules? Doctor Strangelove's circular slide-rule (seen in use near the end of the movie of that name) was certainly an instrument of concern in that story.
     
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  10. Counsellor
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    Digression: Did you notice Darth Vader in that same flick? (Hint: Check the credits.)
     
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  11. HaveMilesWillTravel
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    Cost of doing business as a landlord. I assume you are pricing this into your rentals/leases.

    Not clear to me what this has to do with a paranoid person confusing math with terror.
     
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  12. satman40

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    We live in an entitled world, the lady simply decided she was entitled to have him remove.

    Now who do you think is going to pay the financial bill, for the problems she caused.

    Life is about being responsible, and respecting others..if you are going to be successful, or you can blame it on others, as she did him...

    If I had seen someone working a math formula or any kind of formula, I would not have made a comment either way, however once the lady pushes the button, it became public a public record, and everyone has rights.
     
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    Let's be clear here. The lady wasn't entitled. She was racist and paranoid.
     
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    I agree, I just call it an attitude,

    After the work day was over we would head down to the bar, have a beer we called it an attitude adjustment

    We knew nothing of race and paranoid when I grew up, we did not even lock the doors when I was a kid 70 plus years ago...
     
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    racist and paranoid or "ignorant and uneducated" ?

     
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    "Racist"? Italian's not a "race".

    Too many people use that adjective as the first reaction to anything with which they disagree. The term has a discrete meaning.

    "ignorant" or "uneducated" might fit in this context,though.
     
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    In all probability, the complainant assumed the professor was a middle eastern gentleman - a.k.a terrorist ;) The photograph published of the professor would fall into an ambiguous category for any person who has a confirmation bias.
     
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    My guess is that she didn't know his nationality. He looked foreign, Mediterranean, perhaps middle-eastern to her.
     
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    Why or? Just use "and"
     
  20. violist
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    It was my impression from the news reports that the woman's
    suspicion (not necessarily paranoia, actually, because that too
    has an actual technical meaning) was racist - she profiled the
    guy because he seemed relatively swarthy, presumably as
    compared to herself. A source I relatively trust:says -
    though that too might have a touch of skew about it.
     
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    Yup, that was the story I read, too.
     
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    As I remember there are three races (four, if you count AmerInds as a race, but my recollection is that they're considered to be a subset of the Mongoloid race).

    You may argue that she's ignorant, or in the extreme even xenophobic, and she may in fact also be "racist" but this incident has nothing to do with race (unless she's not Caucasian like he is).
     
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    It appears to me that the woman's perception was that the person
    she told on was of a different race, as race is commonly perceived:
    thus it was racism. If you narrow or widen your definition of race,
    there may be bunches of them - you can granularize finely enough
    that you'd define the Ephraimites and the Gileadites to be different
    races - or, you can widen your seive as most anthropologists did
    when I was learning stuff, to the degree that the common assertion
    was that all humans were of one race as they defined the term.
     
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    Perhaps I am using the term "racism" incorrectly when using the "anthropological" definition of race.

    Interestingly, the U.S. census bureau is apparently considering changing their survey to avoid the term race going forward.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...king-about-race-by-not-using-the-term-at-all/

    So would people like this lady now be categorists? :)
     
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    Perhaps I am using the term "racism" incorrectly when using the "anthropological" definition of race.

    Interestingly, the U.S. census bureau is apparently considering changing their survey to avoid the term race going forward.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...king-about-race-by-not-using-the-term-at-all/

    So would people like this lady now be categorists? :)
     

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