p.s. Operations Transitioning to EWR

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  1. UA Insider
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    Hi everyone,

    Today we are announcing the transition of our transcontinental p.s. premium service from JFK to EWR, for flights to SFO and LAX, beginning October 25. When we transition p.s. operations to EWR, we will cease operations at JFK.

    The launch of p.s. at EWR will bring an upgraded airport product to p.s. customers, and coincides with investments already in progress at SFO and LAX. Customers flying out of EWR will have access to near-hourly transcontinental service, with the most flat-bed seats in the New York-SFO/LAX combined market. In addition to the p.s. aircraft we are moving from JFK to EWR, we will also reposition some of our flatbed-equipped 757s from trans-Atlantic routes to transcontinental routes in order to maintain or grow our existing EWR frequency levels. When we have completed this schedule adjustment, all of our flights from EWR to LAX and SFO will feature flat-bed seats.

    Read more about the p.s. transition in our press release. If you are already booked on a p.s. flight departing after October 25, we will be rebooking you on one of our Newark-based p.s. flights. This change will happen the weekend of June 19. Once the change is processed, if the schedule or route doesn’t work for you, please contact us for other options.

    -UA Insider
     
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  2. Weatherboy

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    Finally glad to see ps at EWR!
     
  3. genemk2

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    This is good news, I think. Will miss the ease of getting to JFK, but it was always weird that JFK got P.S. but EWR got domestic first.
     
  4. Hartmann
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    I hope there is some thought given to CPUs on these flights or at least some non-ps flights.
     
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  5. NYCUA1K

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    This is a head-scratching move...

    I get it that EWR is a UA hub while JFK is not but JFK is JFK!!!

    I guess my upgraded p.s. flight to SFO in a couple of days will be my last because there is no way I am going all the way to EWR just so that I can fly on a p.s. flight, when LGA is just 15 min away and JFK just 30 min...
     
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  6. Xyzzy
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    If anything I thought they w:)uld add p.s. at EWR, not just remove JFK. Then again this is pretty much all that was left of UA at JFK.

    I think they'll lose a bunch of pax due to this ... perhaps the same number as they gain from it.
     
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  7. NYCUA1K

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    Why not provide p.s. both out of JFK and EWR?
     
  8. genemk2

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    Cost?
     
  9. NYCUA1K

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    How much more? There is a p.s. like every hour or two now. Why not split'em 50:50 between JFK and EWR?
     
  10. okrogius

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    UA apparently sees more profit in offering higher frequency from EWR while relying more on connecting traffic. Time will tell for them, but this is disappointing for many.
     
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    I think you answered your own question. UA barely had any presence at JFK, and I think from an operational standpoint having connecting flights at a HUB is a far better financial/convenient situation than just O/D at JFK.
     
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    Because in order to have a competitive schedule at JFK, you'd need more p.s. planes to run a full schedule at EWR as well. That means spending money outfitting planes, in a market where lots of seats are being added by B6.

    Along with not having to compete with AA/B6/DL for JFK transcon premium pax. I would guess B6's entry into the market combined with VX's earlier entrance is making this feasible.

    That being said, DL, B6 and AA must be popping champagne corks... especially DL, they give up EWR slots for JFK ones.
     
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    Keep in mind that at EWR they have almost no n:eek:n-stop transcon competition. At JFK they have quite a bit.
     
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    I wonder if this will change the revenue management model and force them to price LAX and SFO out of EWR as a true transcon and consider those services out of JFK as actual competition.
     
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    Certainly; however, it's not hard to imagine JFK developing as many competitors due to greater demand there. But of course this is outsider speculation without any numbers.
     
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    @UA Insider Praises be to the d.r.S.L. for this miracle! United is keeping the bar high on cross-country flying.
     
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    So what's the number of seats pre and post change in the SFO/LAX -> NYC market on UA?
     
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    image.jpg Well this stinks for CPUs. Guess they are gone on these routes in October :-(
     
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  19. Xyzzy
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    Methinks this change is designed t;) avoid doing just that.
     
  20. NYCUA1K

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    My answer to my own question was that "JFK is JFK!", y'now...'Camelot' ;)

    I hope UA would still offer flights between JFK and LAX/SFO. Short of that, I will be able to say that UA literally left me -- I did not leave them -- when I do drop them after making 1MM. As an intl traveler who does a lot of TPACs, I liked it that I could do JFK - LAX/SFO and then destination (PVG, SYD, NRT). With JFK effectively out, I'd have too many more stops to justify sticking with UA.
     
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    It seems quite likely that they'll still offer a less frequent non-p.s. JFK-LAX/SFO service, so that this move may turn out not to be that upsetting after all...
     
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    They said they are ceasing operations at JFK, you think they will change their minds?
     
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    With what slots? UA is doing a slot swap with DL; UA gets EWR slots from DL, DL gets the p.s. slots.
     
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    Correct, I just saw the part about the swap...I simply previously saw that "regular" service would continue and assumed...wrongly!
     
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    They'll redeploy some of the CRJ200s to JFK and offer h.s. service to OAK and ONT. h.s. stands for hopscotch and will be operated by Mesa.
     
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