No more A380s for Air France and Lufthansa?

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  1. uggboy
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    No more A380s for Air France and Lufthansa?

     
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    Wow! That is not good news. Me I have always from day 1 supported the concept of point-to-point with the Dreamliner, and never like being on the A380.
     
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    It's a Whale of a Jet...
     
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    I like calling it the guppy :)
     
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    The business case for the A380 has always been a stretch. Sounds like they're realizing that the aircraft and hard product aren't directly translating into increased profit per seat mile flown.
     
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    There's also that little problem of the competition from middle-eastern (gulf state) carriers.
     
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    As AF moves their EU traffic to LCC subsidaries they will end up with excess mid-range planes and pilots. The logical thing would be to utilize those for point-to-point to more destinations outside the EU (Africa, Middle East, perhaps hopping the pond)
     
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    I've flown the A380 once, TATL in business class on LH with the old-stype angled flat seats in a 2-2-2 arrangement. It was interesting, but I'm not a fan of that aircraft. Not many airports really have the capacity to handle so many passengers very well.
     
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    While the A380 may be profitable during peak periods, the airlines own them year-round, and it is very difficult to deploy them profitably during slack periods. It either kills yield or you fly a lot of empty seats. While it may have competitive CASM, if don't fill the seats at attractive yields, it doesn't work.
     
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    That is sad, I like flying most of the A380. When I get a chance I always choose them over other aircraft. I also do like the Dreamliner and the 747-800. I guess I just like newer planes.
     
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    It really depends on how they are outfitted. I didn't think LH's C class nor their Y class were anything special on the A380.
     
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    It took AF a long time to board those '380s on the JFK route. Over two-three hours !! That could not be a good thing. After my experiences, I actively avoid 380 on AF.
     
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    Two to three hours? Did they board with just one door, or how did they accomplish this? I flew three segments on BA's A380 recently and while I did not sit there with a stop watch, my recollection is that it didn't take any longer than it takes UA to board a 777.
     
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    I have flow the QF A380 in both F and J several times to Australia and believe it is the best jet out there and it is generally full on those routes. I have 6 more trips in the next 6 months (some F some J) on the QF 380. Also have flown the LH A380 in J and I agree the poor J product is an issue. I have done the LH 748 six times in F and find it to be a great product as well. Not a big fan of the 787 as it is too small and no F cabin.

    That said - the QF A380 out of LAX boards in less than 45 minuets as there are multiple doors and ramps and then the aircraft has 4 aisles - 2 up, 2 down which speeds up the process. At least at LAX - the boarding process is very quick. I find the 757-300 to be the slowest to board - 200 passengers and only one aisle.
     

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