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Discussion in 'General Discussion | Travel' started by uggboy, Sep 24, 2014.
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No more A380s for Air France and Lufthansa?
Wow! That is not good news. Me I have always from day 1 supported the concept of point-to-point with the Dreamliner, and never like being on the A380.
It's a Whale of a Jet...
I like calling it the guppy
The business case for the A380 has always been a stretch. Sounds like they're realizing that the aircraft and hard product aren't directly translating into increased profit per seat mile flown.
There's also that little problem of the competition from middle-eastern (gulf state) carriers.
As AF moves their EU traffic to LCC subsidaries they will end up with excess mid-range planes and pilots. The logical thing would be to utilize those for point-to-point to more destinations outside the EU (Africa, Middle East, perhaps hopping the pond)
I've flown the A380 once, TATL in business class on LH with the old-stype angled flat seats in a 2-2-2 arrangement. It was interesting, but I'm not a fan of that aircraft. Not many airports really have the capacity to handle so many passengers very well.
While the A380 may be profitable during peak periods, the airlines own them year-round, and it is very difficult to deploy them profitably during slack periods. It either kills yield or you fly a lot of empty seats. While it may have competitive CASM, if don't fill the seats at attractive yields, it doesn't work.
That is sad, I like flying most of the A380. When I get a chance I always choose them over other aircraft. I also do like the Dreamliner and the 747-800. I guess I just like newer planes.
It really depends on how they are outfitted. I didn't think LH's C class nor their Y class were anything special on the A380.
It took AF a long time to board those '380s on the JFK route. Over two-three hours !! That could not be a good thing. After my experiences, I actively avoid 380 on AF.
Two to three hours? Did they board with just one door, or how did they accomplish this? I flew three segments on BA's A380 recently and while I did not sit there with a stop watch, my recollection is that it didn't take any longer than it takes UA to board a 777.
I have flow the QF A380 in both F and J several times to Australia and believe it is the best jet out there and it is generally full on those routes. I have 6 more trips in the next 6 months (some F some J) on the QF 380. Also have flown the LH A380 in J and I agree the poor J product is an issue. I have done the LH 748 six times in F and find it to be a great product as well. Not a big fan of the 787 as it is too small and no F cabin.
That said - the QF A380 out of LAX boards in less than 45 minuets as there are multiple doors and ramps and then the aircraft has 4 aisles - 2 up, 2 down which speeds up the process. At least at LAX - the boarding process is very quick. I find the 757-300 to be the slowest to board - 200 passengers and only one aisle.