NO BUSINESS CLASS ON LH OVER ATLANTIC WITH UA

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  1. stan
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    Why no LH business class over the Atlantic starting in Sept. with U.A. miles
     
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    You mean why no inventory published by Lufthansa? Ask them, I suppose. Award seat inventory changes all the time.
     
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    not sure who is holding back----- if try to book a LH flight on UA site with miles for business class , lets say-- FRA-JFK anytime after Sept. 1 -- not one seat in biz , same with Munich toJFK -- plenty of economy seats --- In past UA /LH would load award space 6 months in advance

    as you know at one time -- UA blocked first class -- then changed-- and now only 14 days out ---available "some times "-- Is this the MO for biz now?

    does anyone see biz class LH after Sept over the Atlantic on any other Star Aliance ?
     
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    Actually, that's an LH policy, not a UA policy.

    I see spotty award options across the pond on partners after September 1. Not a ton, but there is some out there. I'd book UA over most of them for a reasonable bed at a better price point, but that's a different issue, I suppose.

    Compare what UA is showing to what ANA or Aeroplan is showing. If UA doesn't have something that the others do then it is more likely UA's fault. If none of them are showing it then the operating carrier is much more likely at fault.
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    ANA isn't seeing anything either. That's a pretty clear indication that LH isn't releasing them.
     
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    It seems to be with the recovered economies, airlines are loathe to release business class space for awards or upgrades because they know these can now be sold at more than they get as awards. And since most revenue business class is booked 2-3 weeks in advance (or less), releasing more than a couple of premium seats too early is bad business. Add to that LH has its own group of elites who have first call on award seats, particularly premium (as do elites at other airlines with access to their premium seats) so there's few if any available early for other programs' members to book.
     
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    THANKS-- Not familiar with ANA web -- what does the blue and pink hi lite mean
     
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    Sounds like a series of smart decisions.
     
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    WHY THE ALL CAPS THREAD TITLE?
     
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    Nothing you need to worry about for awards via partners.
     
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    Do not agree--When you look at it strictly from a "business decision" based on short term dollars , your right! it will improve the bottom line , only "if" they can fill enough seats with revenue paying passengers will it be possibly good long term. Keep in mind they do get paid for award tickets , the mix required between cash tickets and award tickets to achieve this is unknown to produce additional profit.
    Need to evaluate , the "cash" the airlines get --from the selling of miles to banks-- we know it is a highly profitable --also know they will produced ill will from those that use the credit cards and revenue passengers by not awarding the the seats , if they follow selling "left overs" it will destroy the cash cow from the banks for sure.
     
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    Understand, yet if LH is taken out of advance biz seats , it will hurt tremendously as they are the largest European airline and no other Star Alliance partner is near the size of LH --anyway--- time will tell if this is just a temp change or this is the way it is going to be , if it is , it makes it a silent devaluation
     
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    Hardly a short term decision, mate.

    When demand is high for premium seats, sell them. If demand tapers, then offer up plentiful award seats (and people here will sing their praises).

    Regarding an assertion of loss of selling CC miles etc, the amount of loss of cc mile sales that could reasonably result from this action is quite small. Further, you should consider that the vast majority of award seat redemptions are for the rear cabin.

    Assuming as a result of this policy they sell two extra full fare J seats that otherwise wouldn't have been sold on all their long haul flights each day , what do you think the reduction in daily affinity CC spend would need to be to "give back" the added seat revenue would be?

    Do the math.
     
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    Also, in this instance it's Lufthansa that's making the availability decision and I don't believe they sell anything like the number of miles US based carriers do. Additionally, the miles they sell are in their own program and limiting award seats available to partners only increases the number of seats they have for their own mileage program members.

    Seats offered as awards to partners are seats being sold at a large discount -- fire sale seats, essentially. As such it's quite expected to see them dry up now that the airlines have their houses in better order, supply-wise, and planes are flying much closer to capacity.
     
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    Autumn is a peak period for paid TATL premium cabin bookings. Couple that fact with Lufthansa's recent but decisive shift away from offering F cabins in many US markets, and my best guess is LH revenue and inventory management analysts are still busy figuring out optimal Biz award inventory allocations.
     
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    Agreed.

    While there is some benefit to LH from UA pax's "loyalty," it is so many layers removed as to not be meaningful.
     
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