NH 787 Emergency Landing at TAK; Fleet Grounded

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  1. NYBanker
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    Wow, I kind of relieved that AA won't see these planes until at least next year.
     
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    Not the best news for a plane that was/is how many millions over budget and how many years late?

    I do hope they (Boeing) gets these bugs worked out soon....I own some Boeing stock. :)
     
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    What do we know about the airport TAK? It's Takamatsu but I've never heard of it and assume it is a smaller domestic Japanese airpot. I'm almost surprised that they're able to handle a 787 or other wide body emergency. Does ANA have many flights there and are there other alternative nearby airports?
     
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    The runway is 8,200 feet long.
     
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    It's big enough to have international service from OZ, CI, and BR, as well as JL service to HND. NH only seems to operate out of TAK to OKA and HND.

    Japan classifies airports into 1st, 2nd, and 3rd class airports. NGO, KIX, ITM, HND, and NRT are only 1st. TAK is considered a 2nd class airport.
     
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    Looking at the list of Japan's cities by population size, there are LOTS of cities > 500,000 people that I have never heard of.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_cities_by_population

    Takamatsu is between 400,000 and 500,000.

    Airport: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takamatsu_Airport
     
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    While not good news for the sjc service, I can't imagine anyone would be upset or mad.

    A connection via lax, or a flight straight to SFO, doesn't seem like a crazy ask. Better than smoke in the cabin somewhere over the pacific.
     
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    we may have to change the name from dreamliner to nightmareliner
     
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    Screamliner?
     
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    Firebird? (Pontiac no longer exists so the name might be free.)
     
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    BTW, when Cessna used a Lithium-ion battery for the CJ-4 executive jet they had FAA approval, obviously. In 2011 when one of those batteries caught fire while being connected to a ground power unit the FAA issued an Emergency AD forcing the installation of a nicad battery instead. Given how many battery issues are popping up on the B787 don't be shocked if that happens again. The problem is that the case of the B787 probably will demand a massive redesign because of the scale and complexity of the systems. The CJ-4 was pretty simple and was adaptable for essentially a plug-replaceable part. Distinctly not so for the B787.
     
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    There is a philosophical incompatibility between the installion of LiIon battery packs in the 787 and the US DoT's banning of such items from checked case carriage since 2008.

    Thermal runaway is a nasty event even on the ground.

    It would not surprise me to see this system being subject to ADs.
     
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    I do agree with your points, but as a clarification the DoT ban was for non-rechargable Lion batteries, not the sort used in aviation. As for your third point I would be astonished were there not some AD, if not a ban on the battery type. From a pure logic point of view these have had such a colorful history of fires in various guises that it seems very hard to imagine them being suitable for airliner use, especially when thinking out ten years or more when these aircraft begin to be placed with iffy carriers whose maintenance is not quite so stellar as is that of the carriers which can afford to buy the aircraft new. This battery type makes me nervous, and I'm rarely nervous about anything flying-related.
     
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    Sitting here in a coffee house with a TV in the back muted and on closed caption, the news is covering the Boeing story. Except it's apparently about the Dreamliar.
     
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    I don't think the two are directly comparable; "casual" batteries shoved in a suitcase and locked in a hold are different from intentional, designed-in batteries that are connected to systems that can monitor and control the conditions under which they catch fire.
     
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    Bad-Dreamliner seems obvious. But I do prefer "screamliner." Much funnier.
     
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    I have to stop reading MP before going to bed. Last night I dreamt of flying on some weird plane.
     
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    I often dream about flying on weird planes, connecting at very weird airports, weird conversations with airline agents. Even staying at weird hotels.
     
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    what about the weird BB's in which you are such a weird participant?;)
     
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    Funny, I never dream about that. Maybe because there's no physical component, and dreams are very much rooted in physical space (despite flexible physical laws)?
     
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