New ruminations on United Jet Order

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  1. Infinite1K
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    Reuters has an article about the "happening soon" United order for 150 new narrow bodies.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011...News&feedType=RSS&feedName=companyNews&rpc=43

    I wonder if they will split the order like they did for the B787/A350 to get the best deal from Boeing/Airbus? Or since CO is a Boeing company, we'll see the new order go the direction of all B737s.

    Of course there is the third option of picking the Bombardier C series jets or Embraer 190/195.
     
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    I'm pretty sure in the last quarterly call they indicated this wasn't going to happen in 2011. I also don't see the value of a split order.

    As for the 90-100 seat market, I love the E90s and would love to see them in the fleet but I'm betting against it unless they manage to negotiate a separate pay scale in the pilot contract.
     
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    Personally I'm pulling for bombardier......They have a ton invested in the C and could use the orderflow.
     
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    The C Series Aircraft would fit most of UACO's Regional Market demographic and lift needs so I am rooting for them or the Embraer 190s as well.
     
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    I like the E jets as well, but for REGIONAL use (under two hours). They fly very well, but the cabins are a little small for my 6'4" frame. Give me a Boeing any day on longer haul flights.
     
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    Another thing. Does Bombardier have the capacity to support such an order?
     
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    Thats the multi-million dollar question.....
     
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    Just looked....their current order book is 154. This would effectively double the back-log, or with a split increase it by 50% Bombardier claims that they can go as high as one a day by 2014............WHERE have I heard this before? :confused:
     
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    I'll take the E190 on PBI-CLE over a rinky dinky 737-500 though.
     
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    Thats where the C Series cabin will pay off. 2-3 with the only middle seat wider than the rest? Thank you!
     
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    I'll have to give you that one.. Although the E jets being flown by UA regionals are not equipped with any sort of IFE. I'm not familiar with CO 735s. Do they have the Direct TV. LOVE that stuff, especially with the power ports yada, yada.
     
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    No IFE whatsoever and only two rows of F
     
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    :eek:
     
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    Hoping the C-Series gets a good look. The CS100 will hold 100 in a 2 class config and the CS300 will hold 120. Not sure when UA will take possession of the planes, but the scheduled delivery dates of the newer generation planes are Bombardier C Series (2013), Airbus 320neo (2016) and Boeing 737max (2017).
     
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    It does not mean they can't be configured to have them. Air Canada and JetBlue both have IFE on their E jets.
     
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    Maybe a "don't put all your eggs in one basket" kind of thing? Neither aircraft has flown yet (or even been built) and given the experience with the 787... (admittedly a more significant change from previous generations).

    How accurate are those predicted/advertised expected fuel savings typically?
     
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    I hope the C Series gets a look as well, but UA and CO have pilots that are already type trained on the 320 and 737, so that cost would need to get looked at as well at the airframe cost. Training a new fleet of pilots can be more than justa few dollars.
     
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    According to Bombardier (I asked one of the hosts during SMD3)the C series will be a fairly easy transition for pilots currently type rated on the CRJ's.
     
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    Way too small for what this order is about.
     
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    Which none (or at least not a lot of) UA/COs pilots are...
     
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    There's 1 or 2 of them :) . Being from GRR, I'm probably the only one that see's a CRJ regularly so I assume they're everywhere!
     
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    That's why I avoid points east of ORD :) Although, we do have Skywest out here..

    I'm not disagreeing that there are a lot of pilots that are qualified on the CRJ, just that a lot of them work for ASA/Skywest, etc, and not the mainlines.
     
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    100% agree. I think its wishful thinking that Bombardier will score huge orders with UA. I think they may win bigger orders if they play their cards right in the international market. Especially if Chinese and Russian makers fumble their production. I know Lufthansa has one of the biggest orders for the C's but its only for 30 with option for 30. Republic is slated for 40 I think. As a shareholder :(, I'd like to see an extra "0" behind some of these numbers!
     
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    not to hijack this thread but.... any chance UA will buy the A380...??
     

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