New BA First Class seat- not competitive

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  1. jbcarioca
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    I just flew the new BA First for the first time LHR-JFK a couple of days ago. This is the worst FC seat I have yet had in the modern era. The seat is much narrower than is that of even long haul business class on SQ, and is quite uncomfortable as well because the ara for legs is incredibly narrow.

    For the rest of the body it is less bad but certainly not a FC experience. The stated 32" seat is a fiction, because the legs are as tight as they are in business and the 32" only exists for the head.

    Not good, and the service matched the seats. I do not know about AVOD, the one on my seat did not work. The coffee was good.
     
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    Oooooo (the BA cheerleading crowd) dey not gonna like dis .. (quote. Bugs Bunny) :D
     
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    How does it compare with this seat? :p

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    Sorry that you didnt like the product.

    I've not been on the new BA F yet, but am familiar with its dimensions, and I am also familiar first hand with sq's j product that you compare it to.

    To say ba's f seat is not as wide as sq's j seat is true, but is not an apples to apples comparison. You could reasonably fit two people in one of the sq j seats in the sitting up position...but the spot for your feet when reclined is quite small on the sq j....only one person's feet would fit...and even then, just barely. Sq j is much more akin to the "staggered" seating found on a number of carriers in j, but with a wide seat instead of a 12"+ side table. By your measure, you could also say DL's 767-400 j offers more width than BA f.

    While there is probably not a wider seat in the sky than the sq j seat, the sq j product doesn't give you any meaningfully more room in total than other carriers' j.
     
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    If you use SQ as a baseline, you might be disappointed with a great deal of many airlines.

    However, at least based on my own experiences, it's still a very nice product. Moreover, it's definetly competitive with LH F.
     
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    BA are not really interested in what SQ have to be honest. They make their money on the LHR-US routes so have designed their F product accordingly.
     
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    No doubt. They still compete with a good many carriers for Asian traffic.
    That is a bit of stretch. There is substantial storage space around the seats in SQ J, CX J and several other carriers too. Not so with BA J, not even space for shoes.
    I am happy that some people like the product, it is good to have competition, even if it will not be me sitting on their seats if I have a choice..
     
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    I prefer BA Y to this seat, maybe even Ryanair might be better. Still, note the ergonomically designed buttock supports.
     
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    Indeed.....although rather too deep for my liking. It could be a bit of a ball cruncher.
     
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    Now how could you have possibly missed that all important point... the design is all the fault of those Americans again:rolleyes:
    Besides if CX and JL didnt fly to F NA (or anywhere else for that matter) there would no point comparing them to BA would there? :)
     
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    I presume you meant J seats correct? The widest seats in the SQ fleet are on the A380s being 35" in F and 34" in J.
    The seats on the CX F suites are 36" wide with the added plus of an additional small seat at the forward of the suite which allows you and a travelling companion the dine together (with an inserted table extender)
     
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    I haven't tried the new BA seat myself yet, but from the pictures I've seen, it doesn't look narrow at all. It looks very private and as wide as eg the new Lufthansa F seat, but a lot more private than the new Lufthansa F seat

    I personally am not a big fan of SQs new biz or even F seat (they are about the same). Yes, they are wide, but it stops there. Unless you are incredibly wide, the wideness of the seat makes absolutely no difference.
    These days, it's about privacy and I think BA delivers with their new seat. The SQ seat is a too short for my liking and not very private. Even LH has got SQ beat IMHO. Cathays F seat is ALOT better than SQ

    I've got a flight BA F booked later next year and I'm looking forward to it!
     
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    (Ones own) perception is every thing isnt it? New BA seat, 32"wide, LH seat 31,5" wide.

    Now for that little bit of rationalization :D " Unless you are incredibly wide, the wideness of the seat makes absolutely no difference" ... yes it does... unless you happen to be one those people who sleeps for 8 hours in exactly the same ramrod position.
     
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    I actually wasn't comparing to BA j, though I agree that sq j does have more nooks and crannies for storage than BA j. I was highlighting your statement about sq j's seat width in comparison to BA f.

    Regarding BA j, shoe storage depends on your type of shoes. Many soft shoes will fit in the little tray at the bottom left, by your feet. You could also sit in the upper deck and get a window with a tremendous amount of space. The other advantage of BA j is that your feet are not constrained in a little box, which you are on sq, qf (ex-380), DL (767-400s) and many other carriers. The ability to have my legs in other than one tight spot it very valuable to me...BA, cx and the herringbone carriers do this the best in j. The herringbone guys though have the risk of foot bumping...a rude awakening half way through your flight!

    If you are flying to London from NY, there isn't a better way to go than BA f. If you can't be in f, BA j would be tops (even over AA's f).

    If you were flying to lhr from sin, then it probably comes down to a personal alliance question, IMHO.
     
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    I certainly agree that YMMV. The new CX J herringbone is quite nice to IMO. It seems quite tight around the shoulders to me while the seat is straight up, but there is excellent privacy because nobody can see anybody else. That I like. When reclined there is easy movement for the entire body.

    For me the AA F is preferable to the BA F, because of the more open feel of AA F, but of course AA F has nothing remotely like privacy.
    I do like the small sconce on the side of the BA F seat. It does provide a nice touch.

    Further, although I am an aficionado of The Wing, The Concorde Room is quite nice too, and the Concorde Room cabanas may even be a little nicer for lounging. Close call for me. If you're a TV junky the Concorde Room cabanas win hands down since tThe Wing cabanas do not have TV. The CR restaurant does have full table service too, which TW main restaurant no longer does; it is now buffet only.

    Nothing matches the Lufthansa Frankfurt FCT/B lounge for service quality though IMO. I really do like having them take us to the airplane. It saves me from watching the clock.
    Before I forget, nobody else matches the FC arrival experience in Brazil either. JJ meets the FC passengers at the plane door and escorts then through immigration, to pick up bags (usually already on a trolley by the time you get to baggage claim) and through customs. That is not so important for Brazilians (immigration takes seconds for Brazilians) but it saves queuing time for foreigners, so I am told. For me not having the interminable bag wait time is important.
     
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    You do seem to contradict yourself with the above comment if you don't mind me saying so jbcarioca.

    You value privacy but prefer the open feel of the AA seat compared to the more private seat BA seat offers? US based airlines don't really offer much privacy in their F products. UA has a very nice new F seat but privacy is non existent and the rest of the F experience is god damn awful.
    I agree the FCT is top notch however I didn't like the feel of the place at all. Looking out on to the crew transfer facility seems to be the only clue that you are actually at an airport and not some fancy corporate HQ building dining room. The place left me with a cold feeling to be honest....a bit too sterile and lacking atmosphere for my liking.
     
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    I do not mind. I have conflicting perceptions, I do not deny it. Anybody who prefers the elderly AA F seat to the brand-new BA one must have some conflicting views. I do value privacy, but value comfort a bit more.

    That the FCT is sterile is incontestable, just like LH in general. The A380 with all that space in the loos is still sterile. I worked for a German company for several years and grew to appreciate the clarity and efficiency, while feeling a bit constrained at the same time. ( my 190 page house lease agreement changed little in my views).

    I do not pretend complete consistency, but I do try to avoid complete incoherence at the same time.

    OK, I do not like BA any more. I do like LH, CX, QF, AF, SQ, SU, JJ and, heavens help me AA. My life might be easier if I could at least stick with one alliance.
     
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    Willie's positively drowning in the new seat:

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    Were I Wee Willie I would do so as well.

    I should not complain since I am about to board the new IB World Business that, post IAC is really pitiful. However, from GIG IB does have the best Iberian connections; how surprising is that?
     
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    I personally like very much BA's new F. But then again I liked the old F too. The main thing about the new F for me is a USB charger. Other than that, I don't care too much. With my choices usually being BA, AF and LH, BA and AF are the best in F. I sleep very well in those seats. And that's what counts the most.
     
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    I agree with that. But then I can sleep anywhere on any aircraft with little problem. Of those three I tend to favor AF, LH if I transit FRA. Those preferences have little to do with the experience in the air.
     
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    As my late Dad used to say, "that's what makes horse races!" We had a wonderful time flying First from NY to Tel Aviv in May - 3 of the 4 legs in New First. It was a marvelous experience. We are taking a Baltic cruise in June and will do BA First again - and we can't wait.

    As to the service, well, all of the foreign carriers are so much better than the American ones that it is hard for me to even have a serious conversation about this - see my thread about my recent UA First experience from BRU to EWR.
     
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    I would personally must rather be on the new BA First than the 'new' SQ J... Stylish interiors and (for me) rare British service.... Much better than Ua at least...
     
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    Nobody sane, I think, will argue that UA is equal to BA or any other major carrier. AA often has fairly decent F though, although international F on US carriers is a fairly uncommon thing.
     
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