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  1. joesmoe
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    Hello, I am trying to book an award ticket in F with AA, i need to go from BKK to AMS, then from AMS to DTW, then from DTW to MAD, then from MAD to JFK with a stop at each of those.

    They are telling me around 250k miles

    Asia - EU - 70k
    EU - US - 62.5k (and $400 in tax)
    US - EU - 62.5k ($350 tax)
    EU - US - 62.5k ($360 tax)

    So that's close to 250k miles and $1000 in tax, does that sound right?

    BKK - Hong Kong - Milan - Madrid - Amsterdam (Stop)
    Amsterdam - London - Dallas - Detroit (STOP)
    Detroit - Chicago - London - Madrid (STOP)
    Madrid - London - JFK (END)

    She says segment based comes out as I listed above, and distance based comes out closer to 280k miles (she seems very nice, and we spend literally 2 hours on the phone just now, they have sent it off to be checked somewhere and told me to call back after 24 hours to book).

    Any advice?

    Is it possible to combine some of these into single awards (i.e. asia to us with stop in europe instead of having 2 seperate awards?).

    Also any possibility of getting rid of some of these crazy taxes?

    Thanks in advance everyone, I couldn't be traveling the world right now without ya!
     
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    Are you flying BA? That might be the reason for the ridiculous taxes/fees.

    Can't this technically be a one-way and a roundtrip?
     
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    Yeah but i can't find anything non BA, and irrespective of the airline, isn't it a premium departure tax on any premium class on any airline out of london?

    The thing is that i thought it only applied if i was originating from london, not if i'm just connecting there from madrid on my way to us.

    And yes it could technically be a one way and a round trip, however i don't know if AA allows a stopover in EU on a one way from Asia to USA.

    Thanks for the quick reply, it is much appreciated.
     
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    The reason for that is the fuel surcharge and the UK passenger service charge.

    Just did a dummy booking on ITA and this shows the fees for a round-trip ticket from ORD-MAD with a stop at LHR:



    Fare 1: Carrier BA AQNA2R NYC to MAD (rules)
    Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code A, J
    Covers JFK-LHR (First), LHR-MAD (Business)

    $5,274.00​

    Fare 2: Carrier BA AQNA2R MAD to NYC (rules)
    Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code J, A
    Covers MAD-LHR (Business), LHR-JFK (First)

    $5,274.00​
    United Kingdom Passenger Service Charge (UB)
    $61.60​
    BA YQ surcharge (YQ)
    $544.00​
    BA YQ surcharge (YQ)
    $16.00​
    US International Departure Tax (US)
    $16.30​
    US September 11th Security Fee (AY)
    $2.50​
    US Passenger Facility Charge (XF)
    $4.50​
    USDA APHIS Fee (XA)
    $5.00​
    US Immigration Fee (XY)
    $7.00​
    US Customs Fee (YC)
    $5.50​
    US International Arrival Tax (US)
    $16.30​
    Spanish Airport Services Charge (JD)
    $10.20​
    Spanish Security Tax (QV)
    $3.00​

    Subtotal per passenger
    $11,239.90​
    Number of passengers
    x1​

    TOTAL AIRFARE & TAXES
    $11,239.90​
     
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    If you fly AA F (which you probably don't want to do) then your surcharge/fees would drop significantly since you will be able to book it yourself on AA's website and avoid the $25 booking fee.
     
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    I'm about to head to bed here in ORD and I woke up at 5 AM in LHR, so I'm not exactly in the frame of mind to work out all the possibilities for your award. What I can say of the top of my head before it hits the pillow is:

    • The "luxury tax" in LHR is only for originating passengers, so if you are connecting (under 24 hours) you aren't paying it.
    • If you're on BA for many of your segments you're paying BA fuel surcharges (YQ) which can add up to quite a chunk of change.
    • The distance based Oneworld award could come out to be less than the segments if you took a more direct routing. That's all subject to award space being open. For example you could do this for 180K miles: BKK-HKG-AMS on CX, LHR-ORD-DTW-ORD-MAD-LHR-JFK on a mix of BA/IB/AA. Keep in mind that IB doesn't have F so you'd be in J from ORD-MAD. But again, space. Have you considered doing a J award instead? Is F absolutely needed? If you do a J award you can use IB for a few flights and cut down on the YQ and the connections.
    • AA only allows stop overs in the North American gateway city on segment awards. So no stops in Asia/EU/etc.
    Again, very sleepy, so I might miss a few things here and there..... someone will be along to help you soon enough though!
     
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    It looks like if i make it a oneworld award, it'll be just under 25k flight miles, thus 230k award points, which is reasonable enough to me, no avoiding any of the fees i guess though.

    BKK-HKG-AMS isn't available at all the entire first half of the month of November (which is when i need the award), at least according to the AA agent. I can depart anytime the entire first 20 days of november, but she says it not available for any of those dates. The other legs I can find availability on, but not the BKK-HKG-AMS leg.

    So far as flying AA, you are right, I don't want to be stuck on an AA tin can for 10 hours.

    So far as doing it in J, i would really prefer stick in F as I rarely get to experience so much travel (due to time constraints), and to me it has made a huge difference to me in the past. For some it may be an over rated experience, but I've had some experiences in F lounges/in F on the plane that I will never forget.

    Thanks again for all the replies everyone!
     
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    Most of your questions have already been answered, but don't forget about the north america gateway stopover rule for the return MAD-LHR-JFK and add in that free one way to Hawaii or elsewhere in north america!
     
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    Do you know how to use british airways to find award space? If so, give it another shot...there is most definitely award space on CX F BKK-HKG-AMS early Nov ;)
     
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    The Qantas award search is also fairly good (I prefer it to the BA site).

    FYI - There is CX F BKK-HKG-AMS on Nov 6 & Nov 7 (just two random dates I tried)
     
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    You got it, that's what I found as well. Was hoping to teach a man to fish rather than feed a man a fish by having joesmoe give it a go on his own first, but c'est la vie. joesmoe, I'd still recommend seeing if you can search for this yourself to see if you can piece it together on your own. It'll save you plenty of time the next time you need to put something like this together.
     
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    Note Qantas flies BKK-LHR as well.

    If you settled for J, then a very quick way (and by all reports a quality product) to AMS, saving many miles, would be BKK RJ AMM RJ AMS. Or, for some variety, BKK AY HEL AY AMS.

    ETA: Actually, I was wrong about the AMM route saving miles. Actually farther than BKK-LHR-AMS, and considerably longer than BKK-HEL-AMS.
     
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    Use it while it's available, a great route for QF. Will be sad to see it go in April. :(
     
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    Well now I have BKK HKG ams on cx, but am trying to get the BKK to ams on quantas. Thanks again everyone.

    Currently have 16 legs at 24,890 miles.
     
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    You mean BKK-LHR-AMS on QF and BA, right? ;)
     
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    Awww i misread, i thought they had a direct flight, was trying to save a few miles.

    I chose CX over QF out of HKG as its their hub and I haven't yet experienced their hub's FCL.

    Thanks again everybody.
     
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    CX is refurbishing its lounges in HKG, so some of them might have sections closed/under construction, but there are 4 to choose from. I think The Wing is the one currently about to go under the knife.
     
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    What i did was found a flight HKG - AMS instead of HKG - LHR - AMS

    Now with the miles saved, i'm trying to figure out someplace else to add in in europe.
     
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    Sometimes locations aren't so bad when it's cold. I did HEL in Feb and I really enjoyed the atmosphere the snow and chill provided.
     
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    Okay finally finalized. After having to speak to very many very helpful agents, and one very rude agent this is finally finished.

    BKK-HKG-AMS
    AMS-BUD-OTP
    OTP-BUD-PRG
    <----land segment PRG - AMS ---->
    AMS-LHR-ORD-DTW
    DTW-ORD-LHR-MAD-LPA (grand canary islands)
    LPA-MAD
    MAD-LHR-JFK

    ~24,890 flown miles. Waiting for them to come back with the taxes on it now.

    Thanks again everyone for all the help.
     
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    Looks good, congrats!

    By the way, what airlines and class of service did you finalize on?
     
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    Great trip! I'd like to know as well.
     
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    The only question really is who he is flying TATL, AA or BA. Most of the other routes are easy to figure out who he's flying with.

    Class of service is good to know though!
     
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