NAVCAN Review of Airspace corridor use in and around YYZ

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  1. Canadi>n
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    too bad. i was hoping for high speed electric rail...what is it, 3.5 hours between Tokyo and Okayama...roughly the distance to YUL even going out of the way up to YOW....
     
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    Funny about the comparison of Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal to Tokyo-Nagoya-Kyoto-Osaka-Kobe-Okayama.

    The population of the 10 prefectures from Tokyo to Okayama is around 56 million people, with an average population density of about 2,700 people / sq. mi. The tops are Tokyo with 15,610 people / sq. mi, and the lowest being Gifu Prefecture at 505.8 people / sq. mi.

    Compare that to Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal. The 11 counties/cities/metropolitan communities comprise about 8.5 million people with an average density of around 660 people / sq. mi. Top being the City of Montreal at 11,500 people / sq. mi., the lowest being Lennox and Addington County at 38 people / sq. mi.

    The population of the Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal corridor could fit comfortably into Osaka Prefecture (8.86 million people, 12,000 people / sq. mi.)

    Now taking that train from Tokyo to Osaka, you would be able to fit all of Canada into the prefectures along the line before hitting Kyoto.

    Apples and oranges, for transportation purposes. Air, rail, or otherwise.
     
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    The issue of flight corridors for the YYZ-YOW-YUL has more to do with US traffic than it does domestic Canadian traffic, as let's face it, YOW is actually a very small airport (RDU in the US is bigger). The location of YYZ and YUL is such that flights going around the NYC/BOS airspace will enter the airspace of these two airports, as they are the land method of getting around the major US bottlenecks.
     
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    True, but they are generally above the traffic landing at YYZ and YUL.
     
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    Wow we need to review YYZ-YUL corridor? Then HKG must review theirs with Macau/China or the Northeast PHL-BOS-NYC..... Or UK/France etc (anywhere with two major airports within 30-60 mins of flying time)

    I am smelling something fishy here, another reason to hire consultants to do something we might be implementing 5% of?
     
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    This is a NAVCAN review of flight corridors, not a general review of travel within this region. There are so many reasons why even this corridor could not sustain an economically viable high speed rail. Even the Tokyo-Osaka corridor has more flights and carries more passengers because of population densities. Not to mention the fact that there is too much personal auto ownership within the Canadian corridor that competes with all forms of commercial travel between the three cities.
     
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    Simply put, this project is an attempt to move more aircraft at a greater fuel saving for all users. Aircraft will be kept higher on arrival and hopefully will save some fuel. This is a good idea in theory and has only been simulated for YYZ. The intent is indeed well meaning, but we'll see once it is implemented.
    One of the changes that will take place is a rerouting of inbound and outbound traffic, not on final but within the first/last 40 miles or so of flight. For the non-flying public it may be the redistribution of noise. I don't think that it will be an issue, but it needs to be addressed.
     

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