LX957 - TXL-ZRH: is it Swiss or Lufthansa?

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  1. GenevaFlyer
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    Hi all,

    So I've booked my wife on LX967, which, according to Swiss is operated by Lufthansa. However, the Lufthansa site says it's operated by Swiss. And the Swiss timetable has the following:

    lx-or-lh.jpg

    So would any of you have any idea of which is true?

    And more importantly, does it make one iota of difference in terms of location of check-in at TXL?

    Thanks all,

    GenevaFlyer
     
  2. KVS Tool

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    It's Pseudo-Codeshare -- it operates as an LX flight, but using LH aircraft/crew:

    [KVS Availability Tool 7.0.2/Diamond - Amadeus: Timetable/NL-BCDF]
    Code:
    BER  Berlin Metro / Brandenburg DE = BER TXL SXF [EDDB]
    ZRH  Zurich CH [LSZH]
    SAT  04 Aug 2012 - 11 Aug 2012
    
    Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Frequency | Dur'n | Dep T | Arr T | Effect | Ending | Exceptions
    ---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ----------------------------------------------------------------
    AB         8650    TXL   06:25     ZRH   07:45     EQV  0   1---5--     01:20       -       -   04 Aug   11 Aug
    LX         963     TXL   06:30     ZRH   07:55     320  0   ---4---     01:25       -       -   02 Aug   30 Aug
    LH/LX      5834    TXL   06:30     ZRH   07:55     320  0   ---4---     01:25       -       -   02 Aug   30 Aug
    LH/LX      5834    TXL   06:50     ZRH   08:15     EQV  0   123-567     01:25       -       -   04 Aug   11 Aug
    LX         963     TXL   06:50     ZRH   08:15     EQV  0   123-567     01:25       -       -   04 Aug   11 Aug
    EY/AB      1440    TXL   08:50     ZRH   10:10     EQV  0   123456-     01:20       -       -   04 Aug   11 Aug
    AB         8588    TXL   08:50     ZRH   10:10     EQV  0   123456-     01:20       -       -   04 Aug   11 Aug
    LX         975     TXL   09:30     ZRH   10:55     320  0   1234567     01:25       -       -   04 Aug   11 Aug
    LH/LX      5836    TXL   09:30     ZRH   10:55     320  0   1234567     01:25       -       -   01 Aug   15 Aug
    LX         977     TXL   10:45     ZRH   12:10     EQV  0   1234567     01:25       -       -   04 Aug   11 Aug
    LH/LX      5852    TXL   10:45     ZRH   12:10     EQV  0   1234567     01:25       -       -   04 Aug   11 Aug
    EY/AB      1436    TXL   12:40     ZRH   14:00     73G  0   -----6-     01:20       -       -   07 Jul   11 Aug
    AB         8198    TXL   12:40     ZRH   14:00     73G  0   -----6-     01:20       -       -   04 Aug   11 Aug
    AB         8120    TXL   12:50     ZRH   14:10     319  0   12345--     01:20       -       -   20 Jun   10 Aug
    EY/AB      1434    TXL   12:50     ZRH   14:10     319  0   12345--     01:20       -       -   05 Jul   10 Aug
    EY/AB      1436    TXL   14:40     ZRH   15:55     320  0   ------7     01:15       -       -   29 Jul   05 Aug
    AB         8198    TXL   14:40     ZRH   15:55     320  0   ------7     01:15       -       -   05 Aug   05 Aug
    LX         967     TXL   14:50     ZRH   16:20     EQV  0   1234567     01:30       -       -   04 Aug   11 Aug
    LH/##      5838    TXL   14:50     ZRH   16:20     EQV  0   1234567     01:30       -       -   04 Aug   11 Aug
    AB         8588    TXL   17:05     ZRH   18:25     320  0   ------7     01:20       -       -   05 Aug   05 Aug
    EY/AB      1436    TXL   17:20     ZRH   18:40     EQV  0   12345--     01:20       -       -   04 Aug   11 Aug
    AB         8198    TXL   17:20     ZRH   18:40     EQV  0   12345--     01:20       -       -   04 Aug   11 Aug
    LX/##      971     TXL   18:25     ZRH   19:55     AR1  0   -----6-     01:30       -       -   04 Aug   27 Oct
    LH/##      5842    TXL   18:25     ZRH   19:55     AR1  0   -----6-     01:30       -       -   04 Aug   27 Oct
    LX         971     TXL   18:30     ZRH   19:55     320  0   12345-7     01:25       -       -   01 Aug   27 Aug
    LH/LX      5842    TXL   18:30     ZRH   19:55     320  0   12345-7     01:25       -       -   01 Aug   28 Sep
    AB         8210    TXL   18:55     ZRH   20:15     321  0   ------7     01:20       -       -   05 Aug   05 Aug
    AB         8210    TXL   19:15     ZRH   20:35     EQV  0   12345--     01:20       -       -   04 Aug   11 Aug
    LX/WK      979     TXL   19:50     ZRH   21:15     EQV  0   123456-     01:25       -       -   04 Aug   11 Aug
    LH/##      5840    TXL   19:50     ZRH   21:15     EQV  0   123456-     01:25       -       -   04 Aug   11 Aug
    LH/LX      5840    TXL   20:10     ZRH   21:35     320  0   ------7     01:25       -       -   05 Aug   23 Sep
    
    [KVS Availability Tool 7.0.2/Diamond - Amadeus Operational Info: LX 967/05 Aug 2012]
    Code:
                     Planned Flight Info
    Segment          Departure  Arrival    Duration
    -------          ---------  ---------  --------
    TXL-ZRH          14:50/Sun  16:20/Sun  01:30
    
    Segment          Flight Note
    -------          ----------------------------
    TXL-ZRH          AIRCRAFT OWNER LUFTHANSA
    TXL-ZRH          COCKPIT CREW LUFTHANSA
    TXL-ZRH          CABIN CREW LUFTHANSA
    TXL-ZRH          OPERATED BY LUFTHANSA
    TXL-ZRH          9/ NON-SMOKING
    TXL-ZRH          ET/ ELECTRONIC TKT CANDIDATE
    
    [KVS Availability Tool 7.0.2/Diamond - Amadeus Operational Info: LH 5838/04 Aug 2012]
    Code:
                     Planned Flight Info
    Segment          Departure  Arrival    Duration
    -------          ---------  ---------  --------
    TXL-ZRH          14:50/Sat  16:20/Sat  01:30
    
    Segment          Flight Note
    -------          -------------------------------------------
    TXL-ZRH          COMMERCIAL DUPLICATE - OPERATED BY
                     SWISS INTERNATIONAL AIRLINES
    TXL-ZRH          AIRCRAFT OWNER SWISS INTERNATIONAL AIRLINES
    TXL-ZRH          COCKPIT CREW SWISS INTERNATIONAL AIRLINES
    TXL-ZRH          CABIN CREW SWISS INTERNATIONAL AIRLINES
    TXL-ZRH          OPERATIONAL LEG LX 0967
    TXL-ZRH          9/ NON-SMOKING
    TXL-ZRH          ET/ ELECTRONIC TKT CANDIDATE
    TXL-ZRH          PLS SEE GGAIRLH CODESHARE
    TXL-ZRH          C999M999
    
     
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  3. MSPeconomist
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    Usually codeshares have high flight numbers. With a three-digit LX number, I would guess that it's a LX flight.
     
  4. GenevaFlyer
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    It's definitely a weird one ... the low LX flight number says it's operated by LH, but the LH5838 equivalent says its operated by LX with an LX aircraft.

    Just when I thought I was starting to understand a little of the Air Transport Industry, they throw a curve ball at me.

    Thanks for the info though. Quite interesting.

    Cheers,

    GenevaFlyer
     
  5. Seacarl
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    TXL has the rather unusual situation that check-in is actually at the gate (or gate pair, as it is usually one check-in area for a pair of gates.) So it really won't matter.

    As others have pointed out, it looks like it is really an LX flight that is operated as a wet lease by LH, and on which LH has a code share. I believe that there are a few OS flights like that (or do we now say VO?)
     
  6. myskyconnections

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    i've always had issues with lh/swiss bookings...i nearly spent an hour once at the checkin counter until they were able to give me my boarding pass from txl back to sfo (txl-zrh was lh, zrh-sfo was swiss).
     
  7. Yiannis K

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    Well, this is one of the most confusing flights ever; I call them inception..

    In general LX967 is a pure Swiss International flight. However there is a small exception; from August 5 until October 7 and only on Sundays, it is flying on a Lufthansa wet-leased aircraft.

    Everything is Lufthansa (cockpit, crew, aircraft) but this aircraft is fully leased by Swiss - which makes it operationally a Swiss flight (LX967).

    This means that any other company who wants to sell seats needs to start from LX967 and codeshare that. Even Lufthansa sells seat with the marketing flight number LH5838 with the funniest of them all: Operated by LUFTHANSA FOR SWISS INTERNATIONAL AIRLINES.
     
  8. myskyconnections

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    isn't it strange that a company take-over creates some confusion...i've been a bit "frustrated" with how lh hasn't fully done a great job with swiss.
     

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