Legal way to trade points?

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  1. michael21

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    I am looking for 90,000 SPG and was wondering if there is anyway to trade someone other points...I pretty much have every point besides SPG.

    Thanks
     
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    Not likely without violating the rules of the programs involved. And definitely not at a decent valuation.
     
  3. webdes03

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    In some cases you can transfer through another medium, but as @Wandering Aramean said, typically it's at a pretty big devaluation. I had a shade over 20k in VS points that I'd never use since I haven't flown them in years. I was buying flowers on FTD once a year and crediting to VS to keep the account active, and at the end of the day it wasn't worth it. Pulled them to Hilton (with a bonus promo), and from there you've got some different options. IME, airline-hotel transfers are usually horrible rates like a 1:5 or even worse, but if it's an account that you just want to clean out and close at least you're getting something.
     
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    Marry someone with 90k starpoints.
     
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    :D:D:D:oops::D:D:D
     
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    Or just cohabitate for a month (and let starwood know in advance).
     
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    Gentlemen's agreemen, some what as iffy as marriage.
     
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    Couldn't two people hypothetically gift each other miles/points from different programs?

    I gift X 30k DL miles and X gifts me 30K HH points. Certainly there is the cost of the transfer but it could be done with the transfer rate being mutually agreed upon.
     
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    That's bartering and prohibited by most program rules.
     
  10. jakem4800

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    I was on a us airways flight and they were pitching their card, in the broadcast they said the miles are "transferable" so I'd say that is the same thing being mentioned here..?
     
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    I could see the guy with the 30k delta miles book you a desired flight in your name right then and there while you book a hotel with 30k Hilton honors points for the other guy in his name... Done deal? But then there's dishonest /shady people that could cancel the reservations on one side and leave the other guy hanging

    Obviously 30k miles on delta could be well worth $850 vs 30k hilton points that idk the value on (I'm guessing it might get you 2 nights in a hotel?) at $350 so the guy getting the delta miles is potentially getting a way better deal
     
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    Transferring does not imply that there was (or was not) any bartering involved. I've transferred miles to e.g. family, booked awards from my accounts for them, etc. as freely given gifts (perfectly legal and normal). I have not and have no intention to barter or trade miles/points.
     
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    Exactly my point. DL, a few years back, had very lucrative transfer bonuses (up to 100%) that they promoted heavily.

    In my example above, the use of 30k miles/points was merely illustrative and not representative of real comparative value.

    By going through the company's own program for transferring/gifting, I think you are on safer ground. Identifying that I transferred Y program points to X and X, in turn, transferred Z program miles to me would be almost impossible to accomplish. Certainly a repetitive transfer to the same person might raise a question but even that is not assured. I have transferred many miles to others to get them over the hump for a particular award as well as outright purchase.

    Seth, I understand where you are coming from but I don't think this really rises to the concept of bartering. I think of bartering as exchange of something in consideration receiving some other goods. By going through a program's own transfer mechanism, I am legally doing so. I am not giving you 10k miles or buying you an award ticket for a loaf of bread. Of course, since the various programs refer to the miles/points as theirs, I suspect that a frequent transfer to the same individual might warrant investigation.
     
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    I can transfer you something because I'm giving it to you or I can transfer you something because I've received consideration of some sort for that transfer. It is not the act of transferring the points which makes it a problem; it is that you've negotiated to receive something in return.

    Also, the fees for making such transfers go back to my point about it being a horrible valuation.

    You can do it and almost certainly not get caught unless you're something of a moron in how you perform the transaction. But that doesn't mean it is compliant with the program rules.
     
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    I sold WN miles on EBay a few years ago, got caught...

    They told me not to do it anymore, I quit, no problem.

    Sold them for quite a while, and then. One day it was over...

    I still give a lot of miles away to the wife's family,

    I get nothing in return....
     
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    Absolutely agree on the valuation.

    The 100% bonus DL offered a few years back was the only time it was worth it. My other transfers to the daughters were out of necessity.

    Instead of "Dad, can I have the car keys?" it has become "Dad, can I have some miles?"
     
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