You'd said: "I'm done debating you so don't bother replying....I won't read it". I too did say that "I am done here", but then I realized that you'd actually provided the above info that allows us to assess precisely why you are so enthusiastic about the move to the revenue system, even stating "I'll earn a hell of a lot more RDMs than I am now (double or more)". Well, I now have the answer and things won't be as good as you think they'll be. In fact, you'd have to deplete your employer's travel funds to be able to "double" your RDM compared to what you are earning under the current FF system. Facts, Data and Methods: The input data I used in the following calculations came from you: "Last year, I flew 220,000 PQM on UA on nearly ALL domestic flying". In order to earn so many PQM flying only domestically, I am going to assume that you purchased mostly expensive tickets (J,C,D,F.A; even Y/B would yield results in the same ballpark) so that

you earned 175% class-of-service (cos) bonus and 150% elite bonus (eb) -- in fact, unless you currently purchase such tickets, your enthusiasm for the r-b.s. would be even more puzzling. If you flew 220,000PQM and purchased the high-class tickets listed above, then we can easily calculate the actual distance that you traveled because PQM = distance traveled * eb so that distance = PQM/eb = 220,000/1.5 = 146,667 miles. Note that that "distance" is NOT the same thing as your total RDM; it's just the actual, butt-in-seat, miles that you traveled excluding all bonuses. Now, how much would you have to spend under the revenue-based system to earn 146,667 + all the associated bonuses (i.e. your total RDM), assuming that you are a UA 1K? We simply need to find the breakeven point using an equation which

I'd previously derived that includes the bonus miles: tc= ticket costs = distance * (1 + eb + cos)/mult where: [*]tc [the breakeven $ amount that we want] is the total spend on tickets that would break you even after traveling 146,667 actual domestic miles under the r-b.s; [*]distance [146,667 miles] is the distance you traveled under the current FF program, regardless of how much you spent. [*]eb is elite bonus [150% or a factor of 1.5]; [*]cos is class-of-service bonus [175% or a factor of 1.75]; [*]mult is the elite multiplier under the r-b.s. -- is 11 for a 1K. Let's plug it all in and come up with the 'tc' or the breakeven total ticket costs: tc = 146,667 * (1 + 1.5 + 1.75)/11 = (146,667 * 4.25)/11 = 623,335/11 (this means that your total RDM earning last year was 623,335) = $56,667 Almost like for

@Garp74, you'll have to spend a lot of money (~$57K) to earn the kind of miles (623K) you are currently earning under the new system. With that kind of money, which I assume you are already spending, one would do well under any system. The problem is that a savvy traveler would be doing even better under the current system. Therefore, even folks who spend huge amounts under the current system should think carefully before they get too enthusiastic about migrating to the r-b.s. As I had indicated, it would take me ~5 years to spend $50K+ just on plane tickets. More to the point is that if I spent that kind of money in just one year, my RDM earnings would be over 1M miles. The preceding is not my "point of view". It is the math, which you are free to challenge. Based on the results, it is unclear to me how you would "double" your RDM earning under the new system without also doubling your spending since the relationship between spend and RDM is linear: RDM = $tc * mult. Total costs would have to double. My conclusion thus remains the same: "As one who currently travels almost exclusively in relative comfort in C/F/BF for a fraction of what you spend, I fail to see your enthusiasm for the r-b.s. because it seems to me that you are not even getting the most out of the current system." I thought I would put my finding out here as food for thought just in case you decided to come back...

G'day.

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