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  1. KVS Tool

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    Sure:

    Code:
    From: XXX :: F F F+
    To:   YYY :: F F F+
     
  2. Tenmoc
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    Of course.

    For example, LGA to PHX on AA flight numbers. This example is old and may not work anymore.

    LGA::AA AA AA (etc # of segments wanted) AA+
    PHX::AA AA AA+

    Or if you want to force airports,
    LGA::AA DFW SEA+
    PHX::AA SEA DFW+
     
  3. guilhermefavila

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    You can also specify how many connection points with "x".

    For example,

    JFK :: x x
    BCN :: x

    So in the outbound sector, there will be two connections, and, on the inbound, one.
     
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  4. snorkelfreak

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    Thanks to this thread, I'm learning more possibilities of creating complex itineraries with the Matrix. I'm starting to learn Apollo but am very slow in finding the best priced route specially for international multi-city itineraries. The Matrix is a great help. Thanks guys.
     
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  5. FEV77

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    ITA Matrix question ... can you specify an alliance and a specific stopover city?
    specifically, star alliance, LAX to CDG, connecting through IAD?

    Thank you for your help.
     
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  6. Wandering Aramean
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    This should work:

    LAX:: IAD /alliance star-alliance
    CDG
     
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  7. FEV77

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    Awesome! Thank you! Just what I was looking for.
     
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  8. thecurtisw

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    I am new to this and trying to learn ITA. I'm a US Gold trying to hit Chairman's (primarily because I want my 3 70lb baggage allowance back, and 4 when I get an upgrade, which is most flights). Rather than specific mileage runs, my goal is to maximize my mileage on my business trips. Here's what I'm trying to figure out first: my home airport is BNA. I'm going to PHX in September, departing sometime around the 9th, returning around the 18th. The cheapest flight available is BNA-CLT-PHX for $289 r/t. How do I use ITA to find the highest accruing route, while hopefully not upping the price too much? Thanks in advance for the help!
     
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  9. Wandering Aramean
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    Given that you can earn on US or AA I'd try to search something like:
    BNA:: US,AA US,AA US,AA+
    PHX:: US,AA US,AA US,AA+

    On the dates you want using the +/- 2 days option. That will try to force a few extra connections in to see if it helps. When that comes out priced too high try removing one of the US,AA bits and that will remove one connection and maybe make things more reasonable.

    Adding in the extra connection on that route drives the price up more than it is worth in points IMO, but you might feel otherwise.
     
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  10. thecurtisw

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    Thanks for the advice. Yeah, that's what I had been finding, too: the extra connections were adding miles, but upped the price considerably to where the CPM don't look favorable. Is that how you'd recommend pricing out trips of this kind? When is it valuable to force specific connections...when I know specific cities have good fares at that moment?
     
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  11. Wandering Aramean
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    It makes sense to add connections if you know the routing rules permit such (and you want the miles and don't mind the extra time). Unfortunately, however, I'm not familiar with any free services for finding airfare routing rules. So you can either pay to have access to them or just try out the syntax like above and see if you get lucky. I do the latter and haven't been too disappointed yet.
     
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  12. thecurtisw

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    Ahhh, no wonder I haven't turned up anything when searching routing rules. I didn't realize that wasn't publicly-searchable information. I never mind the extra travel time, haha. Thanks, again!
     
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  13. anabolism
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    (bolding added) Just to clarify, are you asking about a way to specify a stopover or any form of connection?

    I've often wished I could specify a stop-over.
     
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  14. anabolism
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    I use expertflyer for routing rules (and much more), but that's a subscription site.
     
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  15. Wandering Aramean
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    You can. Multi-city search makes that happen.
     
  16. FEV77

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    I was trying for any form of connection (purpose - to meet up with someone else coming from a different originating city, then continue to the next destination together).
    A stopover in IAD would also be OK with me, however.
     
  17. Flying Machine

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    I use Google Flights :)
     
  18. Pizzaman
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    I still find enough inconsistencies in their pricing (I've been told it's a result of how they cache) that I have trust issues. :)
     
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  19. Wandering Aramean
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    Sadly those same caching issues often crop up in ITA results as well.
     
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  20. anileze

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    I think google/flights serves a different purpose, than matrix. It is useful when flying to Europe (at least to me) to visually see fares to various cities simultaneously. With time at hand, flying into CDG and taking a train to BRussels was more effective than flying into BRU. That was used to then search matrix for a detailed search.
     
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    Yeah, you're not the only person that's said that to me. Maybe I'm just lucky but I haven't run into that yet on ITA. Cue the jinx!
     
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  22. Wandering Aramean
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    Such a search is possible in both ITA and GFlights. For multiple destination options on GFlights separate the IATA airport codes with commas.
    gflights.JPG
     
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  23. TravelKane

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    That is exactly why this is a good thread.
    I use ITA for basic searches & with the ITA help I do some intermediate searches. I am ready for some more advanced searches. This post is great. Thanks.
     
  24. anabolism
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    In ITA, you can force this by specifying the specific city. It then offers flights that either connect or stop there. E.g., if I want to fly from SFO to PRG and want to route via LAX and also LHR, I'd say LAX LHR in the Advanced Routing field. ita.png

    What do these pricing errors resulting from caching issues look like? I've yet to run into any non-trivial pricing discrepancy between what ITA showed me and what an agent was able to book. I've only ever booked international business class trips that ITA showed me were on a terrific sale, so I wonder if the issues might only appear with domestic or coach or something else?

    I just wanted to mention that this works in ITA as well (perhaps you meant to mention that),

    To be honest, I haven't yet "gotten" Google Flights. I know it's very popular, but I haven't understood how to use it or what its advantages are, What I usually want to know is: where can I fly for cheap in international business class, especially with a great routing? Examples are the occasional DUB-U.S. fares for under $2k in J that permit routings such as DUB-LHR-LAX-HNL-LAX-LHR-DUB.
     
  25. alexsmith84

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    OMG tyvm for those tricks and commands. Makes my life easier lol
     

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