Is UA Keeping CO's partnership with Virgin Atlantic?

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  1. UA191

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    CO usually has great reward availability for Virgin Atlantic.
    Is UA keeping the partnership with Virgin after the merger?
     
  2. Wandering Aramean
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    As of yet unknown. One of many.
     
  3. yaychemistry

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    Well, there is some evidence that VS may join *A (esp. since SQ is a minority owner). And apparently VS has put in an offer for BD (just posted at 744's blog http://boardingarea.com/blogs/lufthansaflyer/2011/12/12/lufthansa-confirms-virgin-atlantic-is-still-a-contender-for-bmi/), which also might make VS more likely to join *A. However, this is still somewhat speculative. And even if VS joins *A, there is a possibility that they might not continue the code-share agreement (e.g. have CO flight numbers on VS flights and vice-versa).
     
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    Codeshare matters less than FF reciprocity for me.

    Even if VS buys BD - and that seems unlikely - that won't happen before OnePass goes away at the end of the year (or in Q1 '12).

    If the Amtrak partnership dissolution can be seen as any indicator - and I believe it can - then the VS partnership is dead. The new United doesn't need it for access to LHR and the partnership doesn't really open up any new destinations ex-LHR either. I'd be quite surprised to see it survive.
     
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    The Amtrak partnership will survive, but it will go away momentarily while they finalize things with MileagePlus. I am still planning on moving over 50K CO miles to AGR since I really want to do a cross country trip on Amtrak :)

    The codesharing will continue and UA-to-Amtrak flights will be added come March.

    For the VS partnership, it is going to be tough and VS needs CO/UA more than CO/UA needs VS. Also, I am not sure if the UK courts will allow BA to purchase BD without significant concessions.
     
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    SBM 12, have you seen a map

    VS flies to, among other places, LHR-CPT, DXB, etc etc

    No access to LHR?!!?!

    With BD going, gone, this will no longer be a star alliance airport. Everything may have to connect through Lufthansa Groupe
     
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    Checking CO award availability into mid/late 2012, VS still shows up, although after my VS UC flight this past weekend, I don't think I'll be in a rush to repeat my VS experience anytime soon. (At least compared with CO's BF, that is ;))
     
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    Yes, I have. I even know that I don't use that name on this community. :rolleyes:

    Which destinations does VS fly to from LHR that cannot be better served for UA/CO via the ATI deal with LH or through their own metal?

    :confused: Huh? UA/CO has something like a dozen daily frequencies in and out of LHR. There are only a couple cities in the USA (LAS, MCO, MIA, what else??) that VS offers that UA/CO doesn't already have covered. And those aren't necessarily markets that UA/CO needs VS to serve for them. Without knowing the terms of the deal it is nearly impossible to say what the value of the relationship is.

    It never was a long-haul *A airport.
     
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    May be a moot point if LH sells bmi to VS and VS joins *A (fingers crossed)
     
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    Well, if the Stars align (pun intended), maybe it will be a long-haul *A airport if VS joins. :)
     
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    And it seems like MCO, LAS, and MIA may be more leisure destinations for UK pax, rather than the type of market UA really needs to run.

    I'd sure like to see them join *A or at least keep up the relationship with UA. Time will tell.
     
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    I certainly wouldn't mind, particularly as they seem to have ample UC award inventory. But I don't expect that the FF relationship will survive the new year.
     
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    Why do those matter to a US based airline trying to be profitable that already flies to DXB and has a partner that goes from the US to South Africa (JNB) from either one of its hubs (IAD) or another airport in the same city as one of its hubs (JFK/EWR)?
     
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    I personally need on occasion to go from LHR to other places. I would prefer to do that ALL ON STAR ALLIANCE.
    as I HATE AA. I don't mind BA actually, but I would take Virgin over BA. Having a carrier that is based in LHR is helpful. (its a major city FGS)

    With BMI gone, going - that is going to be harder.

    As much as the Germans would love me to connect on the continent, that isn't always practical. So I end up "sleeping with the enemy".
     
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    OK, but you cannot do that today on *A in most cases either.
     
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    BMI does a nice job (not great) of covering some emeging markets.
    LHR-DME is one of my favourties.

    I think to be a true global alliance of you need to have a hub carrier at all the major cities of the world, where people do business. Major markets and global financial centers.

    Mainland europe, Japan (NRT), Asia are very well covered. Would be nice if Star had LHR too ( a major finanicial center in Europe might I add)
     
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    But none that VS serves. I'm really not sure how the two are so closely intermingled.

    Which alliance can do that? None by my count. And *A is closest. By far.
     
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    For the sake of completeness, VS flies to the following non-UACO airports from LHR: MIA, BOS and JFK (I know that's NYC but so many people would rather do JFK than EWR). It serves MCO and LAS from LGW, reflecting their leisure status.

    I have no doubt that the UK competition authorities would far prefer a BD merger with VS, rather than BA/IB. However BD now has such a strange combination of destinations that I can't see it being a particularly good feeder for VS. Of course, with the slots, the planes, the staff and the will-power that could change but, as it stands today, it's difficult to see BD being a good fit for anyone.

    VS alone joining *A and also joining the TATL revenue sharing with UA/CO might make good sense but just joining *A alone still leaves VS without adequate feed into its long-haul operation. My guess is that it will go with SkyTeam.
     
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    And at the end of the day, BA/AA would rule LHR. Expect fares to rise without the competiton.

    Though the European argument is that LH does the same at FRA
     
  20. Wandering Aramean
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    SkyTeam doesn't provide any better feed to VS at LHR than *A could. And AA/BA is going to dominate LHR whether they have the BD slots or not.
     
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    Which so far seems something the UK authorities aren't going to prevent or discourage...
     
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    i hope VS stays in the codeshare or better yet joins *A. even as a choice out of ORD, having VS for award redemption will be a change to UA
     
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    This might be somewhat related, but Virgin Atlantic is offering Flying Club Silver to American Express Platinum cardmmebers after 1 round trip. Discussion here.
     
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    Wow! In tangential news, I just received a huge, personalized (though computer-printed) holiday card from VS, sent via international priority mail. Now that's impressive.

    Never received any cards/greetings from an airline, except birthday greetings from WN...but their cards (in keeping with their low-frills) are not nearly as nice as the VS card just received.

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    That is a very nice gesture. Did you fly a lot on VS this year?
     

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