How may passengers on a given plane are loyalty members?

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  1. auraigroup

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    Just curious. Anyone know or hazard a guess what percentage of passengers on a given plane are loyalty members of that airline? 10%? 50% 90%??? thanks...tom
     
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    It's really going to vary with route and airline. I've been on DL flights, MD 88 or MD 90 (149 to 160 pax) with upgrade lists over 70 people long. That means over half weren't just skymiles members, but were medallions. I was also on a CR9 this week with 5 empty seats up front, and at least two of the front seats were non-revs. That means a max of 5 medallions out of perhaps 60 pax on that flight.
     
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    Varies by route, day and time. My guess is that it ranges from 10% to 80%.
     
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    That really is about as narrow as we can get. Wide variety.
     
  5. desamo

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    Actual numbers from my flight last Wednesday from Heathrow to San Francisco on United 900:

    374 passengers (100% full)
    177 of whom were Premier members (meaning not just loyalty program members, but flew 25k miles a year or more)
    91 were 1Ks (100k miles/year)
    33 were Global Services (granted status from UA that's above 1K)

    I felt really, really, really lucky that there was a business class award seat to change to the day before.
     
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    Wow! Was there something unusual about that flight (not a MegaDo or something similar)? That many UGS on a single flight would seem to be quite unusual, particularly in mid-week.

    (And about 25% of the pax being 1K is also remarkable, but you'd expect TATLs and trans-Pacific flights to be a place to find high-mileage flyers.)
     
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    It was a Wednesday morning LHR-SFO non-stop. Nothing more special than it being a long-haul non-stop, though.
     
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    And departing to elite-heavy SFO.
     
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    WOW. 1/3 of the plane was 1K or higher! That's nuts. No wonder they're putting in a PQD requirement; seems time to thin the herd :)

    Just curious desamo, how'd you get the info?
     
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    They announced it, actually. I suspect it was to prepare those of us < 1Ks for the lack of our first meal choice. :)
     
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    A few weeks ago I flew AA 990 GIG-MIA
    with a similar story to that of Desamo. When being escorted from the lounge to the aircraft for pre boarding one of the eleven people with her said "wow, so many of us, I have never seem that. Are we all Concierge key? We all said we were and our harried escort said there were also another five CK members who were not in the lounge for a total of 16 CK's. One of us asked how many EXP's, and she said she thought they were more than 50, all of Business (30) and Premium Economy (21) and a few in economy. The airplane was full, all 167 in economy too, but she did not say how many otehr Elites there were. Most of the Business cabin had passengers I either knew or recognised from past travels.

    I have no direct knowledge but I suspect most major business routes probably have similar concentrations, possibly not so extreme as these.

    Years ago when I was commuting on Concorde I am confident that the aircraft must have consistently had >80% Elites. Similarly premium cabins today probably tend to similar concentrations.
    Do any of us have any reliable data on this, rather than just anecdotes as Desamo and I are relating?
     
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    Well, I can give a counter-example. SFO-PDX last Friday night, plane went out with Y nearly full and 6 seats open in F -- sadly, I was in E+ because I was on an award ticket and don't have the magic credit card. So that means there were fewer elites on revenue tickets than spaces (16) in F on a 737-800.
     
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    I have no such examples, not because i have not experienced such things, but because I have no specific evidence. That is probably consistent with the notion that links between major business markets/times may be the best predictor of Elite member loads, and probably general members too. This is one of those times I really wish i had access to a major airlines database to investigate facts.
     
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    I'd love to know more, too. But this isn't the first time that a shorter (< 700) mainline flight on a typically leisure time (late Friday night) and route has proven to be elite light. I remember getting upgraded on an SFO-LAX r/t over Thanksgiving, too.
     
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    On long haul it can happen too. During the Sars epidemic I was commuting from MIA to HKG, so was on CX every week. I was several times the only passenger in F, and on a couple of flights I was upgrades from C to F because there was nobody up there. Probably most all the passenger were members, but people who could avoid travelling seemed to do it. Ditto for the first flights after 9/11 into LGA and JFK. They were empty and upgrades were routine. In both of those situations the mileage bonuses were almost unbelievable. It took me only six months during Sars to gain a million miles. I have forgotten all the crazy multipliers.
     
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    As might be expected on a Thursday AAfternoon flight SFO-ORD there were 28 EXP in the back of a 737-800 (as reported the flight attendant to the person behind me who didn't get his choice of meal. Still managed to get a fruit and cheese plate, though it was the last one. Phew. These types of things are definitely route and time sensitive.

    Did you have a purpose for the original question, Tom? I'm curious if it was just you being curious or something you had specifically in mind?
     
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