How airline classes reflect income inequality

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  1. daninstl

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    http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-how-airline-classes-20141201-column.html

    I saw this one coming a few weeks ago due to all the stories in the media about first class cabins.

    In this column on the LA Times website it talks about how airline seating or classes reflect income inequality. Well actually they use this topic to shape the subject and then prove themselves wrong on the headlines. It seems like a weak attempt to paint those that fly in first class as 1%'ers while the rest of us suffer.

    Most of those in the game of miles and points know this isn't actually the truth and that many of those in the big front seats are actually loyal customers or those that nearly live in the air due to job requirements. Kind of like comparing a road warrior salesperson with a new company car to someone that has a 20 year old car but only drives once in awhile.

    Seems to me that this article points out the flawed thinking of socialist that make up the LA Times (yes I'm sure some of you will hate on me). Not everyone is equal in all things and it is impossible to make everything in life exactly equal. Also just because someone has something nicer doesn't mean they didn't work hard to get it or have a reason. Jealously is so dangerous.

    I'm not rich or special but I get to fly in some nice first class seats once in awhile. Does it make me bad. Does it make me worse that I offer to give up my nice seat to a service member or other person at times?

    Maybe the airlines are at fault for not creating good seats in all areas of the plane. Do they play the role of government redistribution in this scenario? If they do wouldn't they just put in twice as many bad seats and then not manage the inventory properly.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. flyforawg

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    Lots of thoughts. Will only share this one, though. The 1% doesn't fly commercial.
     
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    Lets say it this way, I haven't heard nor do I know of a poor guy who's flying consistently First Class. :oops:
     
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    Maybe the Residence by Etihad will do. That's commercial, but very special too, ideal for the 1%er. :)
     
  5. flyforawg

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    For the 1%er who has everything?
    When I was poor, I never flew...ever. Fortunately a good job and many years later, that's no longer an issue.
     
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    Surely, a 1% er who has everything? This includes the Residence experience. So he/she must have flown it.

    Glad for you that you now can fly, same boat here, I had many years when I / we couldn't afford to fly, now we do as best we can to fly and explore "our" world.

    While there will always be envy in the world, we should also be proud of every flight we take, even when it isn't in Business or First. :)
     
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    Do you know of a poor guy who's "flying consistently" at all? Flying is generally more accessible than ever these days, but the truly poor don't generally have the resources to fly regularly for personal reasons, or a profession that requires it.

    And I know plenty of people who would be in economy on "Air Gini" but in real life tend to fly first.

    And a lot of people would be on the ground: https://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/sites/...s/omnistats/volume_03_issue_03/pdf/entire.pdf - old but probably not terribly different stats.

    In the US, 18% had never flown commercial (and I'm going out on a limb here...but these are not silver spoon 1%ers.) About 60% hadn't flown in the past year. If they want to talk about inequality - the poor on the plane (and never were), even with inflation adjusted airfares still near historical lows. Those with the ability to "fly regularly" can in most cases realistically access at least some of the premium seats as well.
     
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    Agreed the 1% do not fly commercial. Most of the passengers I meet in Business Class are on up-grades and are far from being in the 1% tax bracket. I worked for 35 years flying economy on a regular basis almost weekly. Now that I am comfortably retired, certainly not in the 1%, I choose to fly business class several times a year. If people in economy were willing to pay 20% more, perhaps, we could all be in business class. As long as economy purchases are only interested in the lowest fare between points A & B, they have no complaint with the space allocated to them.
     
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    To which I agree! Actually, an overwhelming percent of those in business/first class seating fly at the expense of their employer. And very many of these are government employees, taking advantage of frequent flyer perquisites. The 1% fly private jets or else are sequestered in a true first class seating (such as what remains among the airlines) where most folks won't get to even view those seats!
     
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    Socialists at the LA Times? I slept hard last and I missed the revolution? People in business are gov't emplyees? I missed that perk for 36 years?
     
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    A case could be made that a good deal of the print media (LA Times, NY Times, Washington Post, etc.) "report" the "news" as left-of-center politically. Whether you agree or not, a very different "reporting" of the same events can be read in a newspaper such as the Wall Street Journal, that some would say leans in the other direction politically. ;)

    You bet! I've flown long-hauls out of the DC area for many years, and the government employees of certain Departments regularly fly overseas all the time. Actually, with a little practice, you too can spot them in a crowd! :D And since they fly a lot, they are all pretty much 1K or equivalent, and so regularly get those business class upgrades. Now we're just talking about the run-of-the mill government employee. The real important folks (politicos, etc.) travel business/first class pretty much all the time!

    Can't help you much there. ;) After all, I've spent way too many flights travelling in the "airplane jail"! :eek:

    AirplaneJail.jpg
     
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    Here's the bad thing about private jets they don't go out unless there's four people on board

    Most companies send their people out on the commercial jets and not all companies have their people fly first class.

    The top 1% got that way by spending less than they made and you will find that are conservative

    Most government employees are in the first-class section but not those are private industry.

    Funny when the FA ask for a doctor they seem to always come up from Y.
     
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