First TATL Trip under the UA Revenue System - Random Observations and Implications

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  1. NYCUA1K

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    Yesterday I booked a trip to attend a conference next month in BUD. After trying to get United.com to automatically find me a 'good' LGA to BUD itinerary and it kept trying to route me through Canada on AC and then intra-Europe on LH, I decided to piece the segments together by hand because (a) I am after 1MM status and still want most of my flights to be on UA and (b) I wanted everything on 016 ticket stock so that I would earn PQDs on the entire airfare (base + YQ). In the end I selected this itinerary:

    Outbound
    LGA-IAD-FRA on UA
    FRA-BUD on LH

    Inbound
    BUD-FRA on LH
    FRA-IAD-LGA

    The Table below shows the itinerary by segment and associated fare class and RDMs, and how many RDMs various schemes would earn me:

    BUD-TRIP-RDM-EARNINGS.png

    Observations:
    • Because my RT ticket was on 016 stock, I would earn the RDMs under the R-B.S. as a 1K as shown in the last column: 13,739.
    • Note (next to last column) that the segments on LH were booked in fare classes that would have earned me 75% (V) and 50% (S) RDM if the tickets for those segments had been on non-016 stock. This confirmed what I had surmised when partner earning charts were recently revealed: the point was to make it better to do the booking on united.com and be issued 016 stock tickets. I would have earned less RDMs if the LH tickets had been on non-016 stock. Another implication is that it is not straightforward to calculate the miles I would have earned under that mixed ticket scenario since miles for the LH flights would have been based on distance traveled (as % based on fare class), whereas the miles on UA would have been based on ticket cost * 11/$.
    • As expected, I took a big hit in RDM earned compared to what I would have earned under the legacy FF system -- 20,404 vs. 13,793 or around 68**% of legacy FF system.
    ** Error in this number pointed out below and now corrected.
    Bottom line:
    We are screwed as expected, but things would be even worse if one does not pay attention when traveling on mixed carriers...
     
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  2. mattsteg
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    Your math is wrong ( self inconsistent).

    You earned about 68% of what you would have, or 32% less if you prefer.

    Under the legacy system, assuming the rest of your math correct (risky?) You'd earn 48% MORE.
     
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    Huh? I'm not seeing your point here.

    The op misrepresented his math. That's the start and end of it.
     
  4. NYCUA1K

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    In an earlier version I had written that I earned about one-third less, which you just confirmed. Then I wanted to express it as a percentage of the legacy FF (=100%) and mistyped 48% rather than 68%, which is correct...(13K * 2 is more than 20K meaning that just eye-balling it the (% of) was more than 50).

    May this be the correction for the error in that post;)
     
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    My comment refers to the consistency of lines 2 & 3 of your post -- and they are!
    In the OP, I see switched digits: 13,739 and 13,793, but no reason to doubt the rest.
     
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    Another dyslexic inversion...:)
     
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    OP most assuredly did not earn 48% of what he would have in the legacy system. He earned around 68%, pending other errors and omissions of course. That's a big difference. It appears the OP calculated and presented the wrong number, thus the comment on the math being wrong.
     
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    No need to beat up on the guy. The error has already been acknowledged, and anyone who saw the original post, right after I posted it, would have seen my statement that I had earned a third less miles than under legacy FF. There is nothing here to prove...

    Just corrected the error in the OP to avoid continued wrangling...
     
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    Absolutely agree! Your original (and follow-on) posts are appreciated - and provide useful information. Thanks for your posts!
     
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    Ok, I understand that you earlier referred to the numbers that are no longer in the OP. Since the original reference is missing, and subsequent debate now irrelevant, I'll delete it.
     
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    Great analysis NYCUA1K. It is becoming so clear how one can now generate more miles via credit card spending than actually getting on a DL or UA plane. What perplexes me is that airlines need to seIl tickets and fill seats, hence the incentives of a loyalty program. And the part about RBS rewarding the best and high paying customers is absolute rubbish; otherwise, the DL-UA would not cap the maximum miles earned from the purchase of a ticket at 75,000 miles.

    I have also been trying to determine whether Premiers will still be awarded a minimum of 500 PQM for an intra Europe segment on LH, such as FRA-TXL, or FRA-MUC?
     
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    Thank you!
    I believe that the rules governing PQM and PQD earning have not changed at all. I thought that your suggestion of basing elite qualification only on PQD to reflect the new focus on revenue was a great one. Why base elite qualification on distance traveled when this is no longer the unit of measure?
     
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    What about the Status RDM Bonus as a 1K? In the old system that would be 100% (which is now eliminated I beleive) Thanks and Safe Travels
     
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    The status bonus RDMs have been incorporated into the 11 RDM/$ that 1K elites get under the revenue system. In figuring out the total RDM under the legacy system in the table above, I took into account the 100% 1K bonus and the 500-mile minimum for elites. Now both have been made irrelevant...
     
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