Delta Considers Stronger Cockpit Security

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  1. sobore
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    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903374004576581201932135760.html

    Senior executives at Delta Air Lines Inc. are giving serious consideration to following the lead of rival United Airlines in voluntarily installing enhanced cockpit-security barriers on certain jets, according to industry officials familiar with the airline's deliberations.

    Delta hasn't made a formal decision, the industry officials said. But they added the carrier is considering installation of secondary barriers—expandable, accordion-like gates designed to provide an extra layer of security by temporarily blocking access to the front section of the cabin just outside the cockpit door.
    A Delta spokesman declined to comment.

    United installed similar gates several years ago on most of the company's fleet of Boeing 757 jets. The move made the United Continental Holdings Inc. unit the only major U.S. carrier to take such a step, which it is extending to additional aircraft types.

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    Seems like overkill to me.

    The next terrorist-wanna-be who even begins to try to get through the cockpit door is going to have to deal with a horde of extremely violent & pissed-off passengers.
     
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    On some DL flight (and NW earlier IIRC), I've noticed FAs placing carts to block access to the FC galley and forward FC lavatory before pilots open the cockpit door. Once or twice, I also noticed a large FA standing where the cart otherwise would be, looking manacing.
     
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    Would probably be a good idea. When the FAs block access with the cart, it seems like ALL of them are up there like a football line. If it gets the Flight officers to the commode safely and gets the FAs in the rest of the cabin, cannot really be a bad thing.
     
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    Are these things like baby gates that someone could easily vault over or is it more like a floor-to-ceiling barrier? Can someone see through the barrier?
     
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    Baby gate.
     
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    Just weld the doors shut at the start of each flight, issue diapers to the pilots.

    Al Qaeda always looks for soft, simple targets, while we spend billions "fighting the previous war". The bad guys can have the same effect setting off a suicide bomb while in a long line for the TSA, or any of a thousand other simple methods.
     
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    I have seen this on most mainline flights as well as the FA then goes into the cockpit and sits there while the Pilot is up. I think is great when they do this.
     
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    It's not so great when it blocks off access to the FC or BE lav(s) for a long time while various crew members chat up there.
     
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    The times I have seen it, I don't remember it being more than 5 minutes...
     
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    I guess you don't fly enough.....
     
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    Then you haven't been on a flight where the flight crew has had Mexican the night before. Honestly, as stated above, "The System Works" because whoever gets stupid is going to get pounded by the passengers (post 9/11 mentality). Count me as one of those willing to give a pounding!! Get them down and go for all the sensitive parts: Nostrils, Eyes, Ears, Throat, Jugular. Maybe drop the drink cart on their noggin. You get the idea. :)
     
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    Exactly.

    David
     
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    This happens almost every mainline flight over 2 hours where the pilots need to use the LAV or receive a meal.
     
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    On my last flight I asked the FA why one of them goes into the cockpit when one pilot is in the lav. I thought she was there to stop a rouge pilot from downing the plane. She told me it's to help with an oxygen mask, etc in the case of an emergency. Good idea!
     
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    Yes and no. You can easily see through it but it is high enough that jumping over it isn't going to be happening very often.

    I agree that it is overkill and no more serious a deterrent than the cart in the galley but no one asks for my opinions on this sort of thing.
     
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    normal procedure is for the remaining pilot in the cockpit to put the oxygen mask on if he or she is the only one in "control" of the aircraft and alone in the cockpit regardless of the status of the aircraft. The FA serves as back up if something happens to the remaining pilot while alone in cockpit. A bad time for a heart attack or stroke at that moment.
     
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    Standard operating procedure on UA as well (the cart thing, with a little old lady behind it instead of the large menacing looking FA.... okay, just kidding about the little old lady part)

    Indeed, just yesterday, two 15 min chat/bathroom/coffee breaks blocking F bathroom access on a 4 hr domestic trip. I eventually ended up heading back to the C lavs on that UA 3-cabin 767.
     
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    (posted for the sake of accuracy)

    In most cases you'd be 100% correct, but mexican food can strike anytime, anyplace. According to the FARs, a solo pilot only needs to wear the mask when flying above FL250 (for most US-based aircraft referenced on this site). Stuck holding over ORD for the next hour when a bean burrito emergency hits? The remaining pilot may need oxygen...but not due to any federal regulation :confused:

    See Part 121.333(c)(3) if you're curious about the details. Company policy may be more restrictive.
     
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    At least you had a business class lavatory to choose. What if the only alternative were the lavatories in coach, with long lines?
     
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    It's usually tough to see all the way to the front of the plane ;-)
     

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