CRJ-700s on SFO-LAX

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  1. Infinite1K
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    Noticed that United is putting a CRJ-700 on the SFO-LAX route on Saturdays. Not a good sign for the worlds leading airline.
     
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    Why not? If they feel that the capacity can be better used somewhere else profitably then they will. DL runs mostly CRJ9s between SFO/LAX by the way.
     
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    New provision of the pilot contract. Neither pre-merger carrier allowed for regional ops between hubs, now they do post-merger.
     
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    In limited quantities.
     
  5. HaveMilesWillTravel
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    Is the pilot contract signed and ratified?
     
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    Yes it is. :-:
     
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    There are XJT E145 flights between EWR and CLE on Saturday. Weird. There's basically, no mainline at CLE anymore except for (per wiki, and I can confirm) Boston, Cancun, Chicago-O'Hare, Denver, Fort Lauderdale, Fort Myers, Houston-Intercontinental, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, New York-LaGuardia,Newark, Orlando, Phoenix, San Francisco, San Juan, Tampa
    Seasonal: Miami, Philadelphia, Portland (OR) (begins June 6, 2013), San Diego, Seattle/Tacoma, West Palm Beach

    And many of these destinations only see mainline service mixed in with regional...
     
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    I think it's noteworthy that a route that has at least a dozen flights in each direction on most weekdays go down to a regional jet.

    It being on a Saturday, I see both sides of the story. I can't think of any other routes that need extra capacity on that day (save for maybe TATL or TAPC, but Airbus planes won't be used for those) to accommodate. Yet, it would be a great day to do some maintenance to those aircraft.

    But there is significant symbolism here, not just on a highly-flown route by UA, but by many other carriers. Even AA, who has next to no inter-west coast presence, flies SFO-LAX six times a day.
     
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    Pretty much any leisure destination sees Sat. traffic where the equip. could be better utilized than LAX-SFO.
    Places like MCO, FLL/PBI/MIA, all of the Caribbean, SJD, CUN, OGG, HNL, etc.

    Right. The route is saturated. Between UA, AA, AS, B6, WN, and VX.
    Maybe it's symbolic to you, but it's good fleet utilization if they loads can't justify mainline on certain flights on Saturdays.
     
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    Good points, although messing around with positioning the planes as the weekend draws to a close can add to the complexity.

    But as a datapoint, just looking at this Saturday coming up, UA has 9 flights scheduled for that route: 2 319s, 2 320s, 2 738s, plus a 752, a 73G and a CR7. There are around 200 empty seats still out of the whole bunch, which can be looked at as a little (considering all the flights) or a lot (considering how much smaller a CR7 is than say that 752).
     
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    What is the symbolism? That the company understands how many customers are flying on the routes and maximizing yields? Or something else?
     
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    Okay, let's look at that. All of these comparisons are non-stops on Thursday, May 2 vs. Saturday May 4.
    IAD-MCO -- Four on Thursday, three on Saturday.
    IAH-MCO -- Seven on Thursday, seven on Saturday.
    ORD-MCO -- Five on Thursday, Six on Saturday
    In the end: Push

    IAD-FLL -- Two on Thursday, two on Saturday
    IAH-FLL -- Five on Thursday, six on Saturday
    ORD-FLL -- One on Thursday, one on Saturday
    In the end: +1 on Saturday

    IAD-PBI -- None on Thursday, none on Saturday
    IAH-PBI -- Two on Thursday, three on Saturday
    ORD-PBI -- One on Thursday, none on Saturday
    In the end: push

    IAD-CUN -- One on Thursday, one on Saturday
    IAH-CUN -- Five on Thursday, nine on Saturday
    ORD-CUN -- None on Thursday, one on Saturday
    In the end: +5 on Saturday

    IAD-SJD -- None on Thursday, none on Saturday
    IAH-SJD -- Two on Thursday, two on Saturday
    ORD-SJD -- None on Thursday, one on Saturday
    In the end: +1 on Saturday

    And you know as well as I that there are no Airbus or 737 planes flying to Hawaii.

    So, you right, there are additional flights to the destinations you mention. However, it's very likely other routes are being trimmed on Saturday (and rightfully so). And that leads to the other point and response.....


    Easy there Cowboy. I brought up the two sides to it, mentioning the maintenance angle as a good reason too.
     
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    Incorrect.

    Almost all airlines have schedules that differ between weekends and weekdays due to passenger demands and fleet requirements. The one CR7 being added to LAX-SFO on a Saturday is a great example of that.
     
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    OMG. BIGGEST. DEAL. EVER. IF I HAVE TO FLY BETWEEN LAX AND SFO AT A CERTAIN TIME OF DAY ON SATURDAY I HAVE TO FLY ON A REGIONAL JET WITH 6 FIRST CLASS SEATS FOR LESS THAN ONE HOUR. IM SO DONE WITH UNITED.

    This thread, among other things of far more importance yet equal frustration, is what drives me to drink.
     
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    But what if your job is paying for it, and you get bonus miles for flying F instead of Y, but now you can't because there are only 6 F seats in a CR7 compared to 24 in a 752?

    Or what if you have upgrades to burn and you book Y with the intention of upgrading, because you have that meeting in 2 hours and don't wanna show up all wrinkled? :)

    I'm just saying... there are "some" valid reasons to complain about this change.
     
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    How does F keep your clothes from getting wrinkled? I watched a guy sleep in his suit (tie and all) on LH F and he woke up looking like abstract art.
     
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    You take your jacket off and give it to the FA to store in the closet? :)

    Speaking of which, I forgot when but earlier this year someone almost got kicked out of my flight because they wanted to store their jacket in the F closet.
     
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    There are seasonal mainline flights from CLE to PHL? Amazing. I thought those had gone away several years ago.

    Sadly, US typically beats UA on this route, as they fly several E175s.
     
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    Or you take your jacket off and store it on top of your luggage (nicely folded) or hang it from the tray table latch.
     
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    No body was complaining.

    But if you feel you need to use this thread as an excuse to GO ALL CAPS and start drinking, more power to you.
     
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    It doesn't fit the narrative that some people like.
     
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    It's not about seating capacity per se. It's about 18 months of a marketing message that has been: "787! 787! 787! 787!" and they're adding more and more RJs to a lot of routes, including a hub-to-hub route that has never had one before.

    Like Infinite 1K said, nobody is complaining, just noting things.
     
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    I'm not sure what the 787 marketing message has to do with this...they're not adding RJs to the fleet at all (yes they are taking some 50-seat RJs out and replacing them with 76 seaters), just moving aircraft around the system.
    You can't expect UA to want to operate ANY thin route/timing with a plane that oversupplies the given demand. A <1hr flight on a CRJ-700 is a perfect mission for that aircraft.
     
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    Have they actually added new RJs to the fleet recently? (not counting the just announced ERJs) Or how are they accomplishing this? Could it be that we often see and talk about downgrades to regional jets, but rarely about upgrades on other routes or frequency increases?
     

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