Changes to SM program for 2014

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Do you like the changes?

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  1. DiverDave
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    Posted on TOBB:

    Also, the program year will change in 2016 to 2/1/2016.

    Some positives here if the upgrade instruments work as advertised.:)

    David
     
  2. rwoman
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    Gives some incentive to DM! Especially with international travel!

    :)
     
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  3. DiverDave
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    Yeah, right when I'm going to lapse to PM and going to a good effort for even that! :confused:

    How do 4 global upgrade certificates stack up against AA and UA offerings for their top tiers?

    David
     
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  4. Misplaced Texan
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    AA has eight usable in all fares right now.

    UA has six, useable on W (basically a mid-tier economy) or above.

    Sent from a place using a fruit thing.
     
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    US has two useable on any non-opaque mileage earners.
     
  6. MSPeconomist
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    So the merged AA/US program could give between 2 and 8 SWUs, presumably valid on almost all fares.
     
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    Yep, I do believe so.
     
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    My normally accurate AA source tells me the SWU's will remain as is, thus once the programs merge (2Q 2015 IIRC) the US CP members will end out getting the same eight AA gives. BTW, AA also gives another four for each additional Million Miler Miles, and that too is to continue as i understand it. My source is NOT official, as the others that have been publicly mentioned in the press, especially Dallas Morning News, but she's not been wrong yet.

    On balance it seems likely that AA will continue to improve, so I probably will still favor AA over DL, and as long as it lasts US. I'll let my US CP expire this year and will credit my US flying to AAdvantage.
     
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    Do I understand right that the additional SWUs for MM status on AA are given only when a new MM threshold is reached and not, for example, annually to each MMer?
     
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    Correct. Within a week or so of passing a MM threshold one receives a package that includes new AAdvantage cards and luggage tags (both with the number of millions circled) and a notice about the new SWU's. in addition after the first million one gets Gold for life, after the second million Platinum for life. Beyond that there is nothing for additional millions (I just passed 9 million and Horseguy passed 11 million a few months ago, neither of us have had any other benefits). OTOH, they do treat very high mileage people with usual care in IRROPS, but give even more care to Concierge Key members. Compared with the DL situation AA is a few light years ahead.
     
  11. Flyer1976
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    :eek:

    I can't imagine anyone that has the privilege of flying NRSA on DL is pleased about this change. :oops:

    I'm in favor of it as a customer but as an employee I'm sad. :confused:
     
  12. Misplaced Texan
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    Or do something entirely different. ;)

    Sent from a place using a fruit thing.
     
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    Platinum Medallions arguably got downgraded as their new RUs are only valid on routes where comp upgrades apply. Diamond Medallions get the added value of the upgrades being valid on all fares, even if slightly fewer.

    The part where JFK-SFO/LAX/SEA becomes GU-only is a pretty big downgrade IMO.
     
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    Just out of nosiness, how many of the 9 million are non-flight (from the good times when every mile counted towards MM.) :cool:

    David
     
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    This is crap.

    BE on SEA-JFK is not worth an upgrade instrument. Those 4 one ways would cover about 20% of my nyc flying from SEA on DL.

    Best in class with their 4 GPUs for DM. Right.

    Garbage.
     
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    Wow - I didn't read the new chart closely enough and it is WAY worse then I first realized.

    PM will not get ANY SEA-JFK upgrades. I thought I had to use Regional Upgrades, but no, I have to earn Diamond and use the limited number of pseudo-valuable Global Upgrades to get a recliner seat for a 5.25 hr flight to JFK.

    This is some Richard Anderson hubris. DL can suck the tail pipes from the AA 738 I will be flying to JFK on every few weeks.
     
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    Well, just for once in recent history, this latest SM change isn't en todo [​IMG]mejor en su clase[​IMG] for every SM member. For some people - namely DM's who don't use their SWUs b/c they (99.9% certain, their employers in actuality) don't purchase M/B/Y and don't fly any of the T-CON markets where instruments will now be required - this might be a real improvement. For many others, (PMs and DM's who don't belong to the subgroup above) it's SM biz as usual, Jeff Robbo-style.

    Although UA requires instruments for p.s., there are other T-CON services on flatbed 752s that are not instrument-only (e.g some of the EWR-LAX flights). Obviously chances of actual UG are very limited but it is still possible in theory. It's important to note that DL's elimination of CPU applies not only to specific flat-bed service. DL's elimination of domestic UG oppo by geographical market definition is an interesting precedent and you all know exactly what it portends... for instance, the ultimate extension of these policies to all W Coast and even near-W-Coast markets (PHX, TUS, LAS, BOI)...leaving complimentary UG as the domain of overgrown RJs on routes like MCI-MSP.

    As for the apparently-superior four GPU valid on all except E, wait until you try and use them before crowing in triumph - and even if you can, the DL offering is arguably only marginally competitive with UA and still not at all a match for AA.
     
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    Aha! An actual DL employee! I welcome your admission.... and observe that the cult of fear must reign among lower-level folks to allow Jeff Robbo such unfettered tyranny over SM.
     
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    Well I can say I don't work for DL but one of it's loyal minions.

    *runs and hides* ;)
     
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    I don't understand, do you mean the certificates or the actual hard product?

    David
     
  22. DiverDave
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    Ah, then you should change your avatar.

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    First the MQDs and now restricting those e-certs to DM, and no complimentary upgrade on JFK-{SFO/LAX} :( To quote the famous Yogi - The future ain't what it used to be...
     
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    Pretty big downgrade for New Yorkers and west coasters who go there.

    There's a whole big country out there where it doesn't matter a bit.

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    Sure It doesn't matter a bit for the other states... yet. But it will. Just wait.

    I just hate stupid rules I have to plan around. This is just another thing I have to consider now that used to be easy - just like the new SDC or older 72 hr rule - obscure rule and edge cases that I now have to care about.

    Delta is also basically forcing AA to screw its customers too. UA was doing it already, now DL followed, so why wouldn't AA especially since they will have a better 3 class product in January anyway.
     
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