Carry-on bags costing TSA millions a year

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  1. TRHiker

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    WASHINGTON — Choosing to carry your luggage onto a plane instead of checking it with an airline might save you a few bucks at the ticket counter but it's costing taxpayers about a quarter-billion dollars a year.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41893640/from/RSS/

    My view: good problem identification, bad solution recommended (more fees to travellers). As it's the airlines' fees which are creating the problem and causing more luggage to go through the TSA's checkpoints, the pushback should be on the airlines. YVMV
     
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  2. Jim
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    It is not me carrying the bag on board that costs TSA money; it is their way of checking them that is costing them money. Cry me a river.
     
  3. Captain Oveur
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    I have an idea, how about eliminating the scanners that strip away our dignity?

    How much money would we save there?
     
  4. Travel2Food
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    Neither. She's using funny math. They could EASILY handle the bags with no additional staff if they'd stop the gate searches & eliminate the strip-search machines.
     
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    Remember the sniffer/puffer machines? How long did those last? Hopefully the stripper machines won't last long either. TONS of money wasted on equipment here.
     
  6. bluesky
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    A big +1.

    Increasing fees to passengers would be the pinnacle of adding insult to injury.
     
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    So...if we start checking bags, and saving TSA money, do we see a reduction in security fees?

    As the highly successful TSA baggage screening trial in HNL proved, TSA really can do more with less.

    IIRC, the official TSA line there was that passengers were never in any danger from unscreened bags because of the many 'layers' of security. I just haven't figured out which 'layer' compensates for not clearing checked bags. But hey, it's a lot cheaper.
     
  8. Travel2Food
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    Not going to happen as much of the TSA cost is fixed, and any variable component is not related to carry-on bags, it's related to passenger traffic. With the strip-search machines, the time delay is related to the human x-ray process, not the bag x-ray process. Anything the TSA could possibly save at the checkpoints will result in higher costs in the baggage room.

    The TSA would prefer more passengers check bags as it allows them to search out-of-passenger-presence.

    Ms. Napolitano is trying to use a boogeyman to gain additional funding. Very typical in DC.
     
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    How true! And with her arguments to Congress to not cut their budget in the name of national security, I imagine she will get her way.
     
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    Just another excuse to expand their mandate and their funding.

    They'd never consider the option of reviewing whether their methods are wasteful, inefficient and useless. :(
     
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    Amen to that! The is the complete opposite of the classic case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".....TSA is beyond broken.
     
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    And it isn't clear that the number would be full erased if all the carry-on bags went into the belly of the plane, though the costs there are somewhat lower on a per-bag basis. Ironically, she was actually baited into the comment by the Senator IMO. The Senator started in on wanting to tax airline profits to cover the increased costs instead of raising the passenger fees. Apparently the Senator doesn't realize that the passenger is paying either way there and if we have to have the airlines do additional accounting it actually costs the consumer more.

    They're all morons.
     
  13. Captain Oveur
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    I don't know if it's a boogeyman thing, but the intent of getting more funding could not be any more obvious.
     
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    Funny. I didn't take my shoes off and didn't remove my liquids last week and my plane was fine.

    Stupid knee jerk reactions to make non flying mom feel better.
     
  15. JDiver
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    Oh, yes, truly inspirational.

    Washington (CNN) -- The Transportation Security Administration is investigating between 25 and 30 officers who allegedly routinely failed to check luggage during early morning flights out of Hawaii's Honolulu International Airport. http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/03/02/hawaii.tsa.security.lapse/

    It would appear the TSA's "Job 1" is bureaucratic self-protection; they will try or say anythiing in support of Job 1.

     
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    ::SHOCKED::

    That couldn't really be what they're doing, could it?
     
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    Good God! Has no in in the Senate actually taken an economics class? Oh wait ... If tax payers cover it, or if airlines cover it (passing on the costs to travelers and share holders) it costs roughly the same thing to society. Who pays the tax might be different, but the tax is still there.

    A better option would be to get rid of the cost entirely.
     
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    Better yet, how many in the senate have gone through the "nude-o-scope"? Until they have their dignity stripped, nothing will happen.

    BTW, found out that my colon was fine on the last trip .... lol!
     
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    And the other elephant in the room: I like to arrive WITH my stuff, thank you. Checked bags often go missing, even when the contents aren't pilfered. Been there, had it happen to me, spent days without a change of clothes -- and I prefer to carry on. Damn the cost.
     
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    The other things that should be called into question:
    1. As with almost any number, these can be fudged. Look at how many screeners are walking around the terminals doing these gate checks and harassing people with beverages in the terminal. You know, what they call the "sterile" side?
    2. More on the numbers. At larger airports, I would bet there are more CTX machines (the machines that check checked baggage) that standard x-ray machines. There should be more throughput with carry-on bags. Passengers not checking bags should be embraced by the TSA, not used as a weapon (that they wouldn't detect, anyway).
    3. I hope Chafetz or whoever asks about how much is being spent on the virtual strip search machines and ask how many of those being sent back to the manufacturer would save money.
     
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    This follows the same logic (to me and me only) as a statement like this:

    Passengers Costing Airlines Billions of Dollars Every Year.

    Airline Execs Agree, "If we could only get rid of them, our businesses would be so much more profitable".
     
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    TSA costs passengers billions a year (theft)
    TSA costs business billions a year (wasted time)
    TSA costs airlines billions a year (reduced flying)
    TSA costs tourism industry billions a year (foreigners visiting other countries instead of USA)
    etc
     
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    TSA causes deaths of thousands (auto accidents rather than safer flying for long journeys)
     
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    No more money for TSA until they actually catch someone trying to board a plane with box cutters!
     
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    Every time you don't check a bag, the TSA kills a kitten. Think of the kittens.
     

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