CANADA TRAVEL ALERT

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    cynical me says this is just CN Rail bs'ing to make crackdown on the protesters a safety matter. That said, I would be pissed if any protest impeded me from going where I wanted to go, I certainly would have less empathy for whatever message a protest was trying to convey.

    Some info on Idle No More (I didn't know who they were):
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/01/04/f-idlenomore-faq.html
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    Normally crossing issues make the traffic reports/news in the Detroit area and delays aren't uncommon, but I didn't notice this one.

    As an example the Canadian Customs/Im. staff had a protest of their own a few weeks ago.

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    That wouldn't shock me, but if the incident actually occurred as alleged, the perpetrators should have the book thrown at them.

    As would I. Living in Washington, DC, we get protests on occasion, and sometimes they talk about shutting down the city, or impeding traffic, or something similar, in order to bring attention and/or sympathy to their cause. A former co-worker said to me once, "I don't think making half the city late for work is going to get people to agree with you." If someone wants to protest, fine, I'm all for free speech, but leave me the hell out of it. I just want to go about my life. I'm quite capable of seeking out information about your cause on my own, should I desire. If you inconvenience me, all you're going to do is make me angry and more likely to support your opponents.
     
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    Got caught in one of these at Waterfront Station in Vancouver on Wednesday trying to transfer from the Canada Line to the Expo Line SkyTrain. Have little sympathy for the cause. Yes the Indian Act needs to be overhauled and no government has yet had the guts to do it until now. And half the villages/reservations should be closed down because the terrain is uninhabitable in the 21st century and spending another dime is pissing into the wind.
     
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    Amen !

    US should have integrated Native Americans into citizenry a long time ago.
     
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    Wasn't that tried, and met with resistance... in the 1600's? 1700's? 1800's?

    From my *limited* experience with American Indian cultures (outside the realm of casinos and smoke shops) is that despite the overwhelming economic and educational disadvantage many face, preserving their culture and maintaining a separate tribal nation is important to them. As an outsider I can look at results, but I can't judge the importance or desire of identity - especially in today's America.

    Just imagine what would happen if you made the same offer available to [primarily] white separatist groups - here, have some land, form your own hybrid-soverignty government. You'd see "prepper reservations" setting up everywhere, "tribal" police and everything.
     
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    Wrong side of the border-- this happened in Canada -- thought the First Nations culture knows no boundaries and is very much the same everywhere and involves thinking of things in terms of what will it be like 17 generations from now.

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    See the post I replied to:

     
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    It's a real catch 22 in part because of the "sins of our fathers" where education and social services for First Nations peoples were transferred by the government to the churches...who of course committed all sorts of heinous crimes against individuals, as well as attempted to instil values that were repressive and confiscatory of indigenous culture. Such assimilation practices failed and created the resentment we face today. In Canada, by embracing multiculturalism, there should be no sense of obliterating First Nations' cultures no more than the heritage and languages that dozens of others have brought when they immigrated here. Modernization must occur and this self-imposed apartheid of the Indian Act abolished. However, most Chiefs don't want to see this as it will destroy their fiefdoms and the gravy train they ride!

    Having done several documentaries featuring members of our First Nations, and dealing with some of these issues, I have seen how successful individuals can be in the "real world" and contribute to our Canadian cultural heritage and identity. But rejecting modernization and the realities of the 21st century only condemn people to a marginal livelihood, dependence and rejectionism.
     
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    A very PC response & expected in today's environment. That is why I stated "a long time ago" when PC issues didn't come up (or at least were not strongly considered)
     
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  13. One thing most people are missing is that many aboriginals in Canada are living off reserve and paying taxes like the rest of us. The desire is there to become integrated is growing and the interest in getting a university education is quite spectacular. many of the younger less educated aboriginals are moving off reserve and learning trades that will keep them in the general population.
    I believe the trend for many to move off reserve, particularly northern ones, will help resolve the poverty issues. the land issues won't go away any time soon particularly with reserves sitting on large mineral or oil reserves and there are many of them.
     
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    Ah, for the good old days, when the lesser folk knew their place... Right?
     

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