Baby, 18 months old, on no-fly list, ordered off plane at FLL

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  1. FlyingBear
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    She is suspiciously curly haired, so I can see a probable cause for it all

    http://www.wpbf.com/news/south-flor...port/-/8788880/13038550/-/fhxhp7/-/index.html

    I certainly appreciate the confusion, since may be it wasn't a no-fly list after all...

    "But the TSA disagreed, telling WPBF this is an airline issue and therefore, it is not investigating. The TSA also said that since Riyanna and her parents were issued boarding passes, that means they had been cleared by the TSA and were definitely not on the no-fly list."
     
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    Not a lot of facts but still bizarre.
     
  4. HaveMilesWillTravel
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    Would have been a great question for Kip Hawley yesterday.
     
  5. Captain Oveur
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    He wouldn't have said anything different than what was said, and what was already quoted in this thread, from the article. Maybe he would have said something about his book again.

    I'm all for making the TSA look bad, they do that to themselves with great regularity. But I also have to wonder about the journalistic integrity of a story that gets the TSA's name wrong not once, but twice, in the same article:
    - "Transportation Security Agency"
    - "Transportation Safety Administration"

    In the end, if the TSA was in the right and JetBlue in the wrong, you can be darn sure the TSA brass will do whatever it takes to get rid of another PR embarrassment by getting JetBlue to admit they were wrong.
     
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    You're expecting anything resembling journalism from an outfit that has "channel 25" in its name? :D

    It will be interesting for the TSA to explain this part:

    Riyanna's parents said once they were taken off the plane, they were met by TSA agents


    if they were indeed met by TSA agents (I'd expect the parents to be able to differentiate TSA agents from airline employees thanks to their shiny blue shirts), then why does the TSA say it's an airline issue?

    But the TSA disagreed, telling WPBF this is an airline issue and therefore, it is not investigating. The TSA also said that since Riyanna and her parents were issued boarding passes, that means they had been cleared by the TSA and were definitely not on the no-fly list.

    Were they (TSA) asked by the airline to do something? On what grounds?

    The reason why I think it would have been interesting to ask Kip Hawley about is because this is just one more example of how silly some of the security paranoia is that his department has helped introduce.
     
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    Even if it truly was not TSA involved, it still remains true that the entire security theater makes it entirely too easy to pull off stupid stunts like this and everyone can just say it was someone else's fault.
     
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    That's pretty much the way it is right now with baggage thefts.
     
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    Sounds more like Jet Blue shenanigans.
     
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    At one time or another all three of my kids have been on the no-fly list. My 12 year old son has never been removed from it and now that he understands some of the politics behind the US war of terror and the arbitrary nature of the list, is rather vocal and argumentative about the ridiculousness of being inconvenienced by the CBP whenever we/he re-enters the US. The CBP's response every time is along the lines of "We've updated his profile so that this does not recur but he may still be delayed on entry to the US in the future". He's at 100% for being escorted to the cage and while it's an inconvenience now, I worry about how they will treat him when he's 16+ and traveling alone.
     
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    The whole story is a bit odd. Apparently they had boarding passes, which the TSA claims meant that they weren't actually on any no-fly list, to the fact that they were ultimately allowed to board the flight but chose not to, even though no one seems to have made a scene (being "made to stand in the terminal for 30 minutes" doesn't qualify in my book). Yes, the security theater is absurd - I've been pulled out of line with ("SSSS") boarding AA at YYZ despite being AA Elite and a holder of both GE and Nexus, but you deal with it and move on.
     
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    Paging the nearest ambulance chaser......... perhaps there is a $$$ making opportunity here...?
     
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    Indeed, though we do need to keep talking about this and pushing for change. The secret list of people we're afraid of but can't do anything about is patently absurd. If they are guilty of something, we have a pretty good court system. If they are not, leave them alone. This particular bit of theatre needs to fade away.
     
  14. HaveMilesWillTravel
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    Exactly!
     
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    From http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-list-jetblue-parents-claim-article-1.1075721

    In a statement to the Daily News, a JetBlue spokesperson blamed a computer glitch, which the company believes flagged the toddler's boarding pass as being on the TSA's No Fly List.
    "We notified and collaborated with TSA. TSA cleared the customers to travel on JetBlue," the airline said, later adding that the crew members followed the proper protocols.
    But contradicted (IMO) by this
    The TSA, however, said it played no role in taking the family off the plane, other than to be called to the gate by the airline.
    "TSA did not flag this child as being on the No Fly list," agency spokeswoman Sari Koshetz said.
    She said the TSA instead determined "the airline had mistakenly indicated the child was on a government watch list."
    If the girl's name had been on such a list, she wouldn't have been issued a boarding pass, the TSA said. That's because all passengers must be cleared by the TSA's Security Flight program.
    That system requires passengers provide their full name, gender and birthday when they purchase tickets and checks passenger names against watch lists.
    "If a passenger is able to print a boarding pass at home or at an airport kiosk, then, in fact, that passenger has been cleared by TSA's Security Flight program," Koshetz said.
     
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    I'm confused. I thought the kid was a lap child. Then she wouldn't have had a boarding pass, right? BTW, when a lap infant is added to a domestic ticket, what information is required? Presumably the birthdate. If this is done at check in, when does the comparison to the no fly list happen? I've even seen GAs telling people to come to the podium to get new boarding passes indicating that they have lap babies, so it apparently can be done just before boarding for domestic flights (which this was).
     
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    For what it's worth, I have gotten the same treatment a few times at YYZ as a UA Elite and with the same two programs.

    At least at YYZ, all they do is pat your down (and not the TSA-issued molestation kind).
     
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    Agreed, I'm just saying that we're missing something here - it is TSA, or maybe not, and then they refuse to board once cleared from whatever screwup, misunderstanding or whatever, who knows... It just doesn't add up.
     
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    While I am one of the most vocal critics of TSA and the whole security theater process I know, these people need to get over themselves. "Oh man, we were humiliated and put on display, blah blah blah.." Really? Yeah I am sure they wanted to put you "on display" to humiliate you. Being pulled off an aircraft is hardly "humiliating". The fact that they did not want to reboard is on them, no one else. Like always, the majority of their quoted comments just reek of future lawsuit posturing...they BRUTALIZED us! :rolleyes:
     
  20. HaveMilesWillTravel
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    While the average Flyertalker/Milepointer would inquire what the appropriate compensation would be for the inconvenience?
     
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    Don't get me wrong, if the airline was the one responsible, and it was an actual "mistake" then if they want to give them a voucher or something, great. Honestly, though, they were allowed to reboard and it does not even sound like they missed their original flight but for their own choosing. I mean, who compensates me for the "humiliation" of getting SSSS on my boarding pass? :rolleyes:
     
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    Yes. As I said in my 1st post, a bizarre story with very few facts.
     
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    I thought they did away with the SSSS? I can't remember the last time I saw one (this coming from a person who always had SSSS on their BP)
     
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    Had one a while back. Did not know they did away with it. Probably too obvious a "security" measure, even for razor sharp TSA.
     
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    How did it even work... they print SSSS on a boarding pass and expect that to prevent someone from getting through security with extra scrutiny? Who are they trying to catch with that scheme... kindergartners?
     

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