Award results on BA. Is this real?

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  1. jbcarioca
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    I just tried to book an award ticket SFO-LON-SFO for a Kiva person and found it was to cost $689 plus 50,000 Avios. I checked on Travelocity and found the same flights for $630 and they even accumulated points. Is this possible? One must pay extra to use the points now? Have I missed something? If I read this correctly i should pay someone to take my Avios because they have negative value. That cannot be correct---can it?
     
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    I dont have information on this particular itinerary but the value proposition of the BA program has changed since the revision - Avios prove to be great value for certain short-haul redemptions. E.g. I recently booked LGA-DTW round-trip for 9000 Avios when the least expensive ticket was well north of $300.
     
  3. rrgg
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    BA is charging you their insane YQ. Plus you pay tax on awards and LHR takes the cake in that dept.
     
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    Yep.. and pretty soon you will have one of the usual BA defenders come along and tell you how very lucky you are since BA is not in Chap 11 or that you MUST have got those miles from Chase.:)
     
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    Wow. I've seen it close on economy fares, but never inverted. Those times were where the raw "fare" is less than $100...but then they YQ the heck out of it.

    Do you have the details of the fare calculations for both ... What were the components of each?
     
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    Indeed....it's just one reason why BA make money and US airlines have to get bailed out through dubious means. :p
     
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    One could almost say, that the BA Avios YQ is

    :cool: best in class :cool:

    Oh, wait, that was someone else...
     
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    I wonder if Chase is willing to take mine back? And just recently they doubled the negative value I earn for the next few months :mad: :D
     
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    ...BA has better, loyal suckers than the US-based airlines?
     
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    So, seriously, I guess the only thing to do is just let the Avios expire. I realized it had become a bad deal to use then, from all kinds of posts, but never quite like this. Oh, well, I'll just redeem from somebody else to give Kiva tickets. There must be some utility to Avios, so I'll look for some way to use them.
     
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    If you're US-based, redeeming them for awards on AA might make sense. A few examples in my part of the woods (NYC):

    JFK-YUL. 9k Avios r/t versus $279 cheapest published r/t fare. 3.1cpm isn't quite up there with the aspirational awards of yesteryear, but it's better than nothing.

    NYC-DFW. 10k Avios o/w versus $1063 cheapest published one-way fare (amongst AA/UA/DL. There are substantially cheaper options for those willing to connect or take a different carrier). This is a bit contrived, but I certainly wish that one-way, nonstop fares to DFW were a bit cheaper for when I'm picking up OWMD in January.
     
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    Something is wrong here.

    If BA charges $689 of taxes, fees and charges on an award ticket, BA will charge $689 of TFC on a cash ticket in the same cabin.

    If you can see the same flights for $630 in total elsewhere, something is wrong.

    The first question I have about the $630 price is whether that is $630 plus TFC. I don't know which flights you're looking at for that $630 price, but a quick look at the first screen of Travelocity results has the base fare price in very big characters, and the total price including TFC in very small and faint characters.

    In any event, it's usually considered close to bonkers to redeem BA Miles/Avios for economy award seats for travel far into the future. You usually won't get much value when doing this. It might be different if you can get an economy award seat and the only cash tickets available book into a very high booking class - but this is rare.
     
  13. EZEIZA
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    If you're Brasil based then hang on to them. You'll be able to use them when LATAM join Oneworld. Some very good internal S American redemptions can be had on LAN at the moment.
     
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    They'll already work on LAN. I suspect you're correct that LATAM may join OW but *A is courting them quite aggressively too. Of course the Chile side has more shares, but the Brazilian side has many more members in *A, and the regional dominance of AA and IB do not exactly favor the OW case.
     
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    It sounds like you missed the discussions about getting value from Avios. You might try these links for example:

    http://awardguru.wordpress.com/2011...itish-airways-new-distance-based-award-chart/

    http://boardingarea.com/blogs/mommy...program-avios-is-fantastic-for-some-families/
     
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  16. EZEIZA
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    COPA joining Star next year would seem to indicate to me that LATAM will go with Oneworld.
     
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    i think you actually believe this also.
     
  18. Sean
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    Just did a comparison of SFO-LHR-SFO on sample date 1/17/12-1/24/12:

    Award Ticket || Purchased Fare
    Government, authority and airport charges
    Air Passenger Duty - United Kingdom $ 92.99 || $93.00
    Animal & Plant Health User Fee (Aphis) - USA $ 5.00 || $5.00
    Passenger Civil Aviation Security Service Fee - USA $ 2.50 || $2.50
    Immigration User Fee - USA $ 7.00 || $7.00
    Transportation Tax(Arrival) - USA $ 16.30 || $16.30
    Customs User Fee - USA $ 5.50 || $5.50
    Transportation Tax(Departure) - USA $ 16.30 || $16.30
    Passenger Service Charge - United Kingdom $ 47.47 || $47.50
    Passenger Facility Charge $ 4.50 || $4.50
    Total government, authority and airport charges* $ 197.56 || $197.60

    British Airways fees and surcharges
    Insurance and Security Surcharge** $ 16.00 || $16.00
    Fuel Surcharge** $ 396.00 || $396.00
    Total British Airways fees and surcharges $ 412.00 || $412.00
    More information

    Total taxes, fees and surcharges per person $ 609.56 || $609.60

    Fare SFO-LHR $ 115.50
    Fare LHR-SFO $ 115.50

    Total $ 609.56 || $ 840.60

    As you can see the taxes and feed match up within $0.04. However this does show the pitiful value you are getting for your Avios points with Economy redemptions.

    Your 50,000 miles are only saving you $231.

    British Airways is basically buying back miles for less than $0.005! I can see why they like this, I would certainly buy miles at that price!
     
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    Sure he does ... understanding the US chap 11 procedure is way too complicated for some:).
     
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    i acutlaly laughed out loud at your response for a good 20 seconds...
     
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    :D

    Actually it's very easy to understand.

    It's called unfair competition.
     
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    Maybe my memory is bad, but I seem to remember BA not being a consistent money maker either, much like the assorted US airlines.
     
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    Q. E. D. :)
     
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    Use it for upgrades, are not inexpensive, but at least good value.
     
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    COPA is CO anyway, so was Star anyway.
     

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