Asiana 214 crashed 11:30 am 7/6 at SFO, airport closed -URGENT

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  1. estnet
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    Omg just saw this on the news
    Hope the best for the passengers and crew
     
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  3. estnet
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    Didn't realize there were already threads in other fora - they have pics - which look truly awful. Apparently tail broke off at landing, plane continued and caught on fire, some reports people trapped.
     
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    How many threads do we need about this incident?
    It would be a good idea to check new posts to see if this is new thead,
     
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    Well I'm not a blogger so if we can have multiple blogs why not multiple posts?;) In any case, I checked the forum I thought most likely to have a post and be seen by the most people (eg Asiana forum gets less readers than general travel) PLUS I thought it important for people to know that SFO was closed since this affects lots of people.

    Sorry if you were offended.
     
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    Hopefully no casualties here!
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    KTVU and AP Wires
    SAN FRANCISCO —
    At least two people were killed Saturday when an Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashed and burst into flames while landing at San Francisco International Airport, a fire department source told KTVU.
     
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    No offense .....only noting that at least four threads active ....plus all the bloggers.
     
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    I see at least one carry-on being carried out!!!
     
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    Yes, I see that too and someone taking a photo! Doesn't anyone think about explosions or that the time it takes to get your carryon could cost someone's life?:mad::confused:

    sometimes I'm just astonished at people's selfishness and lack of common sense!

     
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    I would presume there was hardly any fuel left as SFO was the intended destination. Or else, it could have been worse.
     
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    The pilots on that UA aircraft must be prime witnesses.

    It's always a tragedy when lives are lost but this could have been much, much worse.
     
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    But it could also have been an event not happened. SFO had no ILS and PAPI operable for runway 28L at the time of this crash - in fact this has been the case for many days. In many parts of the world inop PAPI would have led to a runway closure - not so at SFO. The more safety barriers removed, the closer an accident can be.
     
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    If you look at the burned out plane - it was worse, just lucky the fire started slowly before it spread. Fire or explosion? I'd want to get as far away as possible as quickly as possible and I wouldn't want to be in the way of others over possessions.
     
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    A couple of corrections.


    PAPI's were operable, the glideslope was Out of Service(OTS) (the GS is the vertical navigation portion of the ILS) the Localizer for the ILS was operable. The PAPI's were destroyed in the crash, and are now OTS.
     
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    The NTSB's preliminary assessment of the plane's cockpit and flight data recorders show the flight was coming in too slow and too low according to CNN.

    Failure to monitor air speed? This is a game changer! To me this smells a bit like Turkish visit in a polder.
     
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    While things certainly appear that way on the surface, who's to say the speed indicator in the cockpit wasn't displaying erroneous info, or the throttles were in the correct place but the engines reduced to idle due to a malfunction. It is too early to draw conclusions.
     
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    That said, the video is disturbing, it is a miracle that only two people perished.
     
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    PAPI was in service but the accident destroyed it. The Notam for no PAPI in service was issued after the crash. Even though you're obviously correct I am sure you'll agree that basic airmanship could easily maintain adequate airspeed and altitude on a visual approach in good weather regardless of navaids. The biggest mystery, for me anyway, is how they allowed the airspeed to drop so low. The PIC had many hours as PIC of a B747, even more sensitive that is the 777 to proper airspeed control, two other well experienced pilots were there but the NTSB says there was no cockpit airspeed or altitude comment until seven seconds before impact. That is surpassing strange to me.

    You are far more familiar with airline pilots than am I although I'll wager most of the ones you know are adept VFR pilots too, and hand fly quite a bit.
     
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    Apparently the pilot hadn't a great deal of experience flying that particular plane ! Scary stuff..going away next week!
     
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    still the safest mode of transport out there. thankfully this sort of thing is exceedingly rare.

    Note the train accident in Quebec two days ago that killed 5 people, and dozens still missing, they just happened to be nearby. :(
     
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    Omg just saw this on the news
    Hope the best for the passengers
     
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    and the commuter plane/taxi in Alaska that crashed the day after this one where all aboard were killed. Barely got a mention on the news here.
    Sorry - this was in reply to the news about those killed in the train wreck - meant to quote it.
     
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